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A good time to lay down AA?

jugglegeekjugglegeek Member Posts: 623
edited February 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
jugglegeek Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £3.38
teknik Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £1.88
edbo11 Big blind   £0.04 £0.10 £1.65
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
Mylo7 Fold        
edbo11 Check        
flane Call   £0.04 £0.14 £0.99
jugglegeek Raise   £0.14 £0.28 £3.24
teknik Call   £0.12 £0.40 £1.76
edbo11 Call   £0.12 £0.52 £1.53
flane Call   £0.12 £0.64 £0.87
Flop
   
  • 3
  • Q
  • Q
     
jugglegeek Bet   £0.48 £1.12 £2.76
teknik Call   £0.48 £1.60 £1.28
edbo11 Fold        
flane Fold        
Turn
   
  • 7
     
jugglegeek Check        
teknik All-in   £1.28 £2.88 £0.00
jugglegeek Fold        
teknik Muck        
teknik Win   £1.48   £1.48
teknik Return   £1.28 £0.12 £2.76

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  • jugglegeekjugglegeek Member Posts: 623
    edited February 2011
    In Response to A good time to lay down AA?:
    Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance jugglegeek Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £3.38 teknik Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £1.88 edbo11 Big blind   £0.04 £0.10 £1.65   Your hole cards A A       Mylo7 Fold         edbo11 Check         flane Call   £0.04 £0.14 £0.99 jugglegeek Raise   £0.14 £0.28 £3.24 teknik Call   £0.12 £0.40 £1.76 edbo11 Call   £0.12 £0.52 £1.53 flane Call   £0.12 £0.64 £0.87 Flop     3 Q Q       jugglegeek Bet   £0.48 £1.12 £2.76 teknik Call   £0.48 £1.60 £1.28 edbo11 Fold         flane Fold         Turn     7       jugglegeek Check         teknik All-in   £1.28 £2.88 £0.00 jugglegeek Fold         teknik Muck         teknik Win   £1.48   £1.48 teknik Return   £1.28 £0.12 £2.76
    Posted by jugglegeek

    I'd been playing for about an hour and this player had been pretty tight. No all-ins all night, then this happened. He must have had a queen right?
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited February 2011
    i think your beat but for amount in the pot its a stack imo

    Also raise more pre
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited February 2011
    raise more pre

    call turn
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2011
    id just jam turn tbh, pretty sure you get called by worse enough to make it profitable.
    Check calling to induce a bluff is also fine, but check folding, nah too much invested, you beat lots still.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited February 2011
    I call here.  If they have the Q then nh, wp.  You're C-bet on the flop and check on the turn signal AK/AJ to the villain.  They might have the Q, but equally they are jamming with tens, nines, eights and a few other hands.  I just don't think we're deep enough to consider the fold in this spot.
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  • mr_mbromr_mbro Member Posts: 1,152
    edited February 2011
    Hi
    i'm with Tommy here you call. Sometimes you have to make the crying call, but he could have a wide range of hands.

    col
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited February 2011
    yep, gotta call. he pos saw your check on the turn as weakness , ak gone bad, and wanted to exploit it.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: A good time to lay down AA?:
    yep, gotta call. he pos saw your check on the turn as weakness , ak gone bad, and wanted to exploit it.
    Posted by pod1
    are players this low really that clever?
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited February 2011
    gonna play devils advocate here and say , yes some are. you can get good new players with no br YET. hows that for a pc response don.
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  • richtearichtea Member Posts: 143
    edited February 2011

    How about this one?
    A bit of info, the opponent is a reg at this level and from what I've seen doesn't get out of line too often.
    I'm not really rolled for this level, so that might have had an effect on my decision (I was on the table as it was very early morning and there were only about 100 people seated on the entire site)
    Their call on the flop was almost instant, which set alarm bells ringing...
    Comments please...

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceelleange17 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £35.99 AKBLUF Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £49.00   Your hole cards A A       ? Raise  £2.00 £2.75 £66.64 shadow1117 Fold     ace_high Fold     richtea Raise  £7.00 £9.75 £55.44 elleange17 Fold     AKBLUF Fold     ? Call  £5.00 £14.75 £61.64 Flop    K 9 Q       ? Check     richtea Bet  £7.00 £21.75 £48.44 ? Call  £7.00 £28.75 £54.64 Turn    4       ? Check     richtea Check     River    2       ? Bet  £28.75 £57.50 £25.89 richtea Fold     ? Muck     ? Win  £27.31  £53.20 ? Return  £28.75 £1.44 £81.95

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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2011

    I'd bet more on the flop, probs 2/3 or 3/4 pot on that board, they are likely to hit/could be drawing.
    I'd bet the blank turn, your good here a lot of the time.
    I think you put yourself in a difficult situation by checking the turn. I call the river tbh.

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  • richtearichtea Member Posts: 143
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: A good time to lay down AA?:
    I'd bet more on the flop, probs 2/3 or 3/4 pot on that board, they are likely to hit/could be drawing. I'd bet the blank turn, your good here a lot of the time. I think you put yourself in a difficult situation by checking the turn. I call the river tbh.
    Posted by BlackFish3
    Yeah i agree with the flop bet size, I should have gone bigger.

    Going back to pre-flop action though, what is in their range? They raise up utg then smooth a 3-bet, that usually smacks of a big hand when it's done by a reg at these levels...

    The turn is a blank obviously, if I lead out again (bear in mind they snapped my c-bet on the flop) i'm getting towards being pot committed 
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  • BlackFish3BlackFish3 Member Posts: 2,418
    edited February 2011
    In Response to Re: A good time to lay down AA?:
    In Response to Re: A good time to lay down AA? : Yeah i agree with the flop bet size, I should have gone bigger. Going back to pre-flop action though, what is in their range? They raise up utg then smooth a 3-bet, that usually smacks of a big hand when it's done by a reg at these levels... The turn is a blank obviously, if I lead out again (bear in mind they snapped my c-bet on the flop) i'm getting towards being pot committed 
    Posted by richtea
    I think a lot of PPs are in their range preflop and I think that's where you get value on flop and turn. QTs, JQs, QK are there as well I guess. If he's got a big hand preflop then that's great because you beat all of his big hands except AQ KQ (if you consider them big hands, I don't really tbh.) So I really think you get good value by betting if he's slow playing a strong hand. AK could float.
    What do you think of the snap call on the flop? I still think they have a PP tbh! A PP probably wouldn't raise or fold on that flop, so maybe that's why the decision was so quick, because there wasn't one. If you lead out turn and get raised then you can fold.
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