min raise on the flop and re-raise shove on the turn. What's he saying? He is saying that he is massive. He has either got the flopped set or flopped 2 pair. i would say the set but there is a chance of the 2 pair if he is the kind of player to call raises pre with ace-rag.
in all fairness when you post this, most people know that you have lost, otherwise you would not of posted it. no one here has reads on your opponents and without any reads almost all of us are calling this. I think someone has mentioned it already but if you were paying a bit more attention and played this differently pre flop and post flop the set is a bit easier to read and maybe you fold.
8NL..... wait forget the limits SNAP IT **** OFF !!! EDIT : This thread is almost as bad as Deuceslive's FH flat on the river, I did say almost though ! Posted by Dudeskin8
Haha love you dude
Seriously, I'd be getting it in here but I really wouldn't be happy about it. Nick is spot on here, you can go on about how much your opponent isn't thinking, but that's the exact logic that leads you to potentially fold this- this insane overbet is ALWAYS a massive hand. Low limits are very predictable. The only reason it's a call is because 2 pair is still plenty massive and would probably get the same response, but you're behind to a set soooo many times when someone starts putting in crazy raises.
In Response to Re: Tough spot. Call or fold? : Haha love you dude Seriously, I'd be getting it in here but I really wouldn't be happy about it. Nick is spot on here, you can go on about how much your opponent isn't thinking, but that's the exact logic that leads you to potentially fold this- this insane overbet is ALWAYS a massive hand. Low limits are very predictable. The only reason it's a call is because 2 pair is still plenty massive and would probably get the same response, but you're behind to a set soooo many times when someone starts putting in crazy raises. Posted by DeucesLive
Just my opinion but if your folding top two here youre getting bluffed off a lot, maybe higher up 30NL+ it's a fold but not at the micro's.
In Response to Re: Tough spot. Call or fold? : Just my opinion but if your folding top two here youre getting bluffed off a lot, maybe higher up 30NL+ it's a fold but not at the micro's. Posted by Dudeskin8
your never getting bluffed in this spot no1 folds an ace at nl8
In Response to Re: Tough spot. Call or fold? : When I say bluff I mean someone with a worse hand making you fold a better one, not total air but some big ace or worse two pair. Posted by Dudeskin8
i just dont think that happens in this hand just by the way it played out but i understand what your saying
In Response to Re: Tough spot. Call or fold? : Just my opinion but if your folding top two here youre getting bluffed off a lot, maybe higher up 30NL+ it's a fold but not at the micro's. Posted by Dudeskin8
Are you sure the reverse isnt true? Arent you more likely to be getting bluffed off at the higher level?
In Response to Re: Tough spot. Call or fold? : Are you sure the reverse isnt true? Arent you more likely to be getting bluffed off at the higher level? Posted by Seagull158
they love to bluff at these lower levels but only if they smell weakness (bet one street then check the next) as you bet every street reppin an Ace its highly unlikely that he bluff shoves the river, what hes trying to say is that villain could overplay a flopped two pair and think hes good so shoves hoping you have AQ, he cant put you on AK because it got there (which they love to do) so for that reason i guess he would think twice about shoving A3/A6 ADD that to the fact it looks so much like a set i think its a lean towards the fold but hey wtf do i know
In Response to Re: Tough spot. Call or fold? : i just dont think that happens in this hand just by the way it played out but i understand what your saying Posted by N1CK
I had this one hand when I was playing 4NL raised standard with AQ get FLAT call from blinds, flop comes QQ4 I bet 3/4 get call, then on turn a Jack bet 3/4 again, guy shoves on me, I snap it off obviously, he turns over AA. This hand is the reason I would never fold AK in that spot, people over value hands.
Yea but that's NL4, which is it's own game entirely. There's micro stakes (8-20) then NL4 is just a complete donkfest where people will shove anything. Even then, that hand is slightly different, since standard micro stakes players getting AA/KK will just donk their stack off every time blindly, so if you manage to set up or get two pair against them- dreamland. Not so much with a standard pair on the board, they'll probably call almost any bet with TPTK but don't go crazy raising. That's exclusive to 2 pair+ or AA/KK.
I could ofc be miles off here but that's my evaluation of micros when it comes to them raising- the closest you'll get to them 'bluffing' is overvaluing the overpair.
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Go with your gut, it is what i do in these spots.
Seriously, I'd be getting it in here but I really wouldn't be happy about it. Nick is spot on here, you can go on about how much your opponent isn't thinking, but that's the exact logic that leads you to potentially fold this- this insane overbet is ALWAYS a massive hand. Low limits are very predictable. The only reason it's a call is because 2 pair is still plenty massive and would probably get the same response, but you're behind to a set soooo many times when someone starts putting in crazy raises.