Where did I go wrong??

Wacko90

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
blkjack	Small blind		30.00	30.00	5282.50
jcb360	Big blind		60.00	90.00	4335.00
	Your hole cards	6 6
BJBUCK	Fold
HATTERBOY	Call		60.00	150.00	2815.00
themoose17	Fold
Wacko90	Call		60.00	210.00	2936.25
blkjack	Fold
jcb360	Check
Flop
		2 6 K
jcb360	Bet		210.00	420.00	4125.00
HATTERBOY	Raise		420.00	840.00	2395.00
Wacko90	Call		420.00	1260.00	2516.25
jcb360	Call		210.00	1470.00	3915.00
Turn
		9
jcb360	Check
HATTERBOY	Check
Wacko90	Bet		1102.50	2572.50	1413.75
jcb360	Call		1102.50	3675.00	2812.50
HATTERBOY	Fold
River
		K
jcb360	Check
Wacko90	Bet		720.00	4395.00	693.75
jcb360	All-in		2812.50	7207.50	0.00
Wacko90	All-in		693.75	7901.25	0.00
jcb360	Unmatched bet		1398.75	6502.50	1398.75
jcb360	Show	K 6
Wacko90	Show	6 6
jcb360	Win	Full House, Kings and 6s	6502.50		7901.25

Maybe should of raised the flop, but was only beat by KK so wanted to slow play. Was just so sick..

LOL_RAISE

id be raising pre but i dont play many tourneys so idk if its std overlimp or not

bet smaller on turn

Wacko90

Hi lol,
 Saw no point in raising because they were all calling stations.

Why do i bet smaller on turn, im sure iv got the best hand so why not bet more?

ratedRKO

raise pre. flop is v good. turn is good imo (maybe a little smaller) river dont mess about just get rest of your chips in! just unlucky at the end.

dunno y u wud post this hand tho surely u know its just a cooler?

DOHHHHHHH

It's fine, but why bet smaller on the river than on the turn?

Surely it's not a "blocker bet"? (gotta ask)

Turn is ok, coz if he has a diamond draw, he's gonna check/fold the river if he misses, so need to get as much value at that point as you can.

I think you pretty much did that.

Don't understand the smaller bet on the river though? 

+1 to total cooler, and don't mind the limp pre either and also like the flat on the flop. Gives the initial bettor a chance to go nuts, and you could well get it in 3 ways otf.......knowing you can still easily get stacks in by the river.

whats going on anyway? as if you ever run this bad............

yb

raise pre imo, I think flatting the flop is fine with stack sizes and that board texture.

bet smaller on the turn to keep in a wider range because even betting ~ 800 still sets up a river shove for just over 1/2 pot. Dohh I don't think there are many draws in either player's range, if any, so we don't need to think about protecting/charging for draws.

river should be an easy shove rather than a 1/5 pot bet.

LOL_RAISE

id bet smaller because of pot size and effective stacks

Wacko90

In Response to Re: Where did I go wrong??:

It's fine, but why bet smaller on the river than on the turn? Surely it's not a "blocker bet"? (gotta ask) Turn is ok, coz if he has a diamond draw, he's gonna check/fold the river if he misses, so need to get as much value at that point as you can. I think you pretty much did that. Don't understand the smaller bet on the river though?  +1 to total cooler, and don't mind the limp pre either and also like the flat on the flop. Gives the initial bettor a chance to go nuts, and you could well get it in 3 ways otf.......knowing you can still easily get stacks in by the river. whats going on anyway? as if you ever run this bad............
Posted by DOHHHHHHH

Doh i actually puy him on a king, so i was honestly worried about the full house. Im not too sure about the bet tbh, i mean, as soon as he re raises me all in i think im losing but i wa spot committed off the turn anyway. I was only scared of the full house because that was the 3rd time my sets had been cracked that day, i guess i was just running bad and was in a porr psycological state. I just wonder if theres any way i could of played it that meant that i wouldnt lose my stack there!

Wacko90

In Response to Re: Where did I go wrong??:

id bet smaller because of pot size and effective stacks
Posted by LOL_RAISE

Okay i see where your coming from thatnks lol

Wacko90

In Response to Re: Where did I go wrong??:

raise pre imo, I think flatting the flop is fine with stack sizes and that board texture. bet smaller on the turn to keep in a wider range because even betting ~ 800 still sets up a river shove for just over 1/2 pot. Dohh I don't think there are many draws in either player's range, if any, so we don't need to think about protecting/charging for draws. river should be an easy shove rather than a 1/5 pot bet.
Posted by yb

So if i raise pre yb i get the same amount of people with alot more in the pot? with 66, i dont see the point in raising there im better off getting in cheap. Agree with you for the rest, the end bet was purely because of things that had happened in previous tournies that day, normally its an instant shove obvs.

yb

In Response to Re: Where did I go wrong??:

In Response to Re: Where did I go wrong?? : So if i raise pre yb i get the same amount of people with alot more in the pot? with 66, i dont see the point in raising there im better off getting in cheap. Agree with you for the rest, the end bet was purely because of things that had happened in previous tournies that day, normally its an instant shove obvs.
Posted by Wacko90

well there's only been 1 limper by the time the action is on you, so if you make it 3.5-4x to go then its much more likely you're going to play a flop in position against 1 opponent rather than multiway. If players are limp/calling a lot then they're going to be c/fing a good % of flops so you can win monies by cbetting the right type of boards.

And I don't agree that you're going to get the same amount of people in a hand when you raise pre btw.

HYPETING

Hi Wacko..

I think im probably raising pre from the button here to isolate the limper. Even if we miss the flop we can still bet at it if weakness is shown and take down a smallish pot rather than letting hands from the blinds see a flop cheaply and losing chips. But as played I stack off here too.

UL Mate

HYPE.

Wacko90

In Response to Re: Where did I go wrong??:

In Response to Re: Where did I go wrong?? : well there's only been 1 limper by the time the action is on you, so if you make it 3.5-4x to go then its much more likely you're going to play a flop in position against 1 opponent rather than multiway. If players are limp/calling a lot then they're going to be c/fing a good % of flops so you can win monies by cbetting the right type of boards. And I don't agree that you're going to get the same amount of people in a hand when you raise pre btw.
Posted by yb

okay, thanks for the reply

DrSharp

Nothing wrong here Wacko. Hindsight is a wonderful thing but i cant see an error here. In my opinion if you are set mining you want the limpers in. Just unlucky.

hurst05

i also agree with raising pre, on the button, if you dont hit it doesnt matter you have the betting lead, your opponents wont put you on 66, you can rep a different hand and take it down majority of the time. if the guy is a 'station' then obviously the hand would have played the same pretty much. but a high % of the time the flop will come something like Q-4-A etc and you take the pot down with a c-bet.

nothing you can do post flop, hes never folding and neither should you want him to. just unlucky river, had a similar hand a couple times myself.

AyrGraeme

I could just regurgitate what I hear on the telly and say raise pre (even though you've explained how the table is playing and a good chance you get a few callers and will go behind on the flop).  I'm with Dohhhhhhh - seems a no-brainer to limp as the blinds are cheap and hope to hit a set.  When you do and then house up, again like the man says just a cooler if you run into better house.

YOUNG_GUN

imo fine how u played it bad beat thread