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What should I do next?

ExLeper78ExLeper78 Member Posts: 42
edited March 2011 in The Poker Clinic
I've noticed that MacGregor likes to min bet when he has a hand. He's also fairly loose and very aggressive. I've been playing fairly tight. We're half hour into a MTT. What do you do next?
chris1953 Small blind   30.00 30.00 2282.50
MadHunter Big blind   60.00 90.00 4720.00
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • K
     
MacGregor Call   60.00 150.00 5917.50
Dutch7 Fold        
ExLeper78 Raise   180.00 330.00 1410.00
chris1953 Fold        
MadHunter Fold        
MacGregor Call   120.00 450.00 5797.50
Flop
   
  • 5
  • 8
  • 2
     
MacGregor Bet   240.00 690.00 5557.50
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited March 2011
    I'd probably flat here and see what he does on the turn, still possible he has set here or flush draw but see what the turn is and how much his betting and go from there
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited March 2011
    I shove but I'm a donk.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: What should I do next?:
    I shove but I'm a donk.
    Posted by CLIOKID
    would u actually shove? thats really bad if so lol
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: What should I do next?:
    In Response to Re: What should I do next? : would u actually shove? thats really bad if so lol
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Meh. Sometimes.

    Just get annoyed by people limp calling and then leading out into me and tilt shove.

    Edit: Besides with stack sizes I'd be shoving overpairs and flush draws here too, not just AK.

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  • ExLeper78ExLeper78 Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2011
    My read on him was hat he had nothing. His bigger than normal - for him - bet felt like he was trying to steal. I guess I'm a donk, because I shoved. He called and I was right. I was winning. But then he hit on the turn.
    chris1953 Small blind   30.00 30.00 2282.50
    MadHunter Big blind   60.00 90.00 4720.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		     
    MacGregor Call   60.00 150.00 5917.50
    Dutch7 Fold        
    ExLeper78 Raise   180.00 330.00 1410.00
    chris1953 Fold        
    MadHunter Fold        
    MacGregor Call   120.00 450.00 5797.50
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 8
    • 2
    		     
    MacGregor Bet   240.00 690.00 5557.50
    ExLeper78 All-in   1410.00 2100.00 0.00
    MacGregor Call   1170.00 3270.00 4387.50
    MacGregor Show
    • K
    • J
    		     
    ExLeper78 Show
    • A
    • K
    		     
    Turn
       
    • J
    		     
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    MacGregor Win Pair of Jacks 3270.00   7657.50
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited March 2011
    no ur not a donk! u got in good and vs this player it obviously was perfect to shove(sort of)

    personally i prefer the flat as we will have a better idea of their range, they could have A8 or hit on board or they could have overs like in this case. i think in future this is risky play but on this occasion was spot on so unlucky
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: What should I do next?:
    no ur not a donk! u got in good and vs this player it obviously was perfect to shove(sort of) personally i prefer the flat as we will have a better idea of their range, they could have A8 or hit on board or they could have overs like in this case. i think in future this is risky play but on this occasion was spot on so unlucky
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    Flat calling doesn't achieve much here I don't think.
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  • ExLeper78ExLeper78 Member Posts: 42
    edited March 2011
    I only shove when I'm certain, or short stacked. Thanks, it's good to hear I've played it right and was just unlucky.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited March 2011

    actually ignore what i put i thought stacksizes were the other way round....


    i wouldn't shove every time in this spot, but its not too bad as i thought sorry. Flat obviously the worse here

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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited March 2011
    deffo with cliokid here, shove ftw

    when someone flats your raise pre then leads into you, it's very rarely with a strong hand I find- he's trying to test the strength of your raise and buy it off you. AK is going to be live against so many things, he either has a weakish pair, in which case you've got ~25% to pair up, no pair no draw and you're going to be a 75% or more favourite, or he has a drawing hand and you're more like 50/50. If he does have a set or two pair then you're massively unlucky ofc. But the calculations don't take into account the possibility of him folding, which gives a lot more muscle to the shove- if he has a hand like 45, A2, 89 or so he may fold- obv this villain is never going anywhere with his donk call with KJ.

    Flatting is awful, and with your stack size you don't really want to be chucking away over 10% of your stack for nothing when you still have a pretty decent shot at doubling through. Gotta make your stand sooner or later or you'll be shoving with a lot, lot worse than AK on an 8 high board.

    Wp, unlucky he hit.
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