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Aces on most dangerous flop always a fold vs random? Can i have on clinic please its bugging me lol

YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
edited March 2011 in The Poker Clinic
zazou1000 Small blind  30.00 30.00 5052.50
Man_Them Big blind  60.00 90.00 14112.50
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
EBBERDON Fold     
Numbers Fold     
YOUNG_GUN Raise  166.66 256.66 2000.57
alandutch Fold     
zazou1000 Fold     
Man_Them Call  106.66 363.32 14005.84
Flop
   
  • 7
  • K
  • 8
     
Man_Them Bet  780.00 1143.32 13225.84
YOUNG_GUN Fold     
Man_Them Muck     
Man_Them Win  363.32  13589.16
Man_Them Return  780.00 0.00 14369.16
Right no reads at all just moved to table vs chip leader, bit of a tough spot here. my thoughts are he can be donking with nothing, top pair, flush draw. Also could easily do with 2 pairs, flopped set so for that reason i have to fold still plenty of chips and wait for a better spot.

354448768- Hand ID
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited March 2011
    new to table and vs chip leader hate folding but have to right
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited March 2011
    OMFG, this is scary bad.
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited March 2011
    He's only putting that bet in with a weak flush or top pair with the redraw to the flush IMO.  He check calls or check raises all in with a decent K  or set i'd of thought.

    I mean you can call, but your likely to be 55% favourite MAX, if not already behind.  A well disciplined fold, I think the call hoping to fade or the fold waiting for a better spot are both fine, depending on your general approach to the game.

    Even if he has 1pr and a D its an unpleasant, probably un neccessary race.
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited March 2011
    That is a shocking fold imo.

    Sorry.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Aces on most dangerous flop always a fold vs random?:
    That is a shocking fold imo. Sorry.
    Posted by CLIOKID
    Thank you !! I thought I was going **** blind for a minute lol
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited March 2011
    Is it really that bad? i didnt think it was shocking thought it was borderline.

    I later had to fold kings also just each time went with gut, still managed to min cash ;-( eventually shoving AK 11bb into 88 and they held nvm ill post kings hand see what u think there
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited March 2011
    heres kings one looks bad but went with gut was in 2 minds whether to call but looked like ace.... im such a nit lol

    354478408
    WAZM Small blind  100.00 100.00 10285.00
    Numbers Big blind  200.00 300.00 5993.97
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		     
    YOUNG_GUN Raise  600.00 900.00 6774.56
    ryan44 Fold     
    zazou1000 Fold     
    Man_Them Fold     
    WAZM Call  500.00 1400.00 9785.00
    Numbers Fold     
    Flop
       
    • A
    • 10
    • 4
    		     
    WAZM Check     
    YOUNG_GUN Bet  1050.00 2450.00 5724.56
    WAZM Call  1050.00 3500.00 8735.00
    Turn
       
    • 8
    		     
    WAZM Check     
    YOUNG_GUN Check     
    River
       
    • Q
    		     
    WAZM Bet  1750.00 5250.00 6985.00
    YOUNG_GUN Fold     
    WAZM Muck     
    WAZM Win  3500.00  10485.00
    WAZM Return  1750.00 0.00 12235.00
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited March 2011
    Well of course that's a fold but the Aces I mean even Greehogg would call that a tight fold !
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Aces on most dangerous flop always a fold vs random?:
    That is a shocking fold imo. Sorry.
    Posted by CLIOKID
    Hi CLIO (and also dudeskin as you are both of similar opinion on the Aces hand). Can you explain why this is such a bad fold here please? I would have thought it was a closer decision than you make out, thanks.
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Aces on most dangerous flop always a fold vs random?:
    In Response to Re: Aces on most dangerous flop always a fold vs random? : Hi CLIO (and also dudeskin as you are both of similar opinion on the Aces hand). Can you explain why this is such a bad fold here please? I would have thought it was a closer decision than you make out, thanks.
    Posted by DrSharp

    If he is that strong why on earth would he lead out so much into such a small pot?

    Wouldn't surprise me to see villain turn up here with a K and no diamond in his hand.

    If he's lured me in by playing bizarrely then WP to him but I'm shoving here unless I have a really strong read to tell me otherwise.

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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited March 2011
    In Response to Re: Aces on most dangerous flop always a fold vs random?:
    In Response to Re: Aces on most dangerous flop always a fold vs random? : If he is that strong why on earth would he lead out so much into such a small pot? Wouldn't surprise me to see villain turn up here with a K and no diamond in his hand. If he's lured me in by playing bizarrely then WP to him but I'm shoving here unless I have a really strong read to tell me otherwise.
    Posted by CLIOKID
    Thanks for clearing that up. I think i have been playing the micro tables too long as that type of play is fairly standard on there. LOL.
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  • pryce6pryce6 Member Posts: 1,058
    edited March 2011
    stick it in his eye for betting like a re tard
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited March 2011

    Stop playing scared when you sat into the open.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited March 2011
    sigh i really wanna see the Aces hand on the clinic, i didnt think it was that bad. i think 60% of the time im probably good here i dont think its such an easy shove as everyone else does.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited March 2011
    Also fwiw it wasn't scared money as satelited in for £4.80 so was treating like any other tournament, i have just gone with gut here i hope if they show it he doesnt have total air and make me look silly ;)
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