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FAO Greghogg, NL20, Lay down overpair on flop

JohnConnorJohnConnor Member Posts: 1,160
edited April 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Ok Greghogg said if I post this hand he will reveal what he had. He wants to know what Sully had and said to me in chat that his own play was bad and that I wouldn't believe what he had. I said I hope it was 8-9, 10-9, or J-10dd, he said no. So now I'm thinking QQ and you regret losing value Greg? Or maybe some mad bluff which seems a bit crazy, even for you (lol).

Anyway, the hand has some value on it's own I guess, but I think it's a standard laydown, right? Sully has been calling in position with big As and after he raises the flop with Greg behind I definately think  AQ makes up the majority of his range. When Greg 4b shoves the flop I think I make the right laydown, yeah?

Cheers guys...

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceDOHHHHHHHBig blind £0.20£0.20£20.88 Your hole cardsKK   arthur1965Call £0.20£0.40£30.30JohnConnorRaise £0.80£1.20£22.91sully919Call £0.80£2.00£20.05GREGHOGGCall £0.80£2.80£18.93DOHHHHHHHFold    arthur1965Fold    Flop  9Q9   JohnConnorBet £1.80£4.60£21.11sully919Raise £3.60£8.20£16.45GREGHOGGAll-in £18.93£27.13£0.00JohnConnorFold    sully919Fold    GREGHOGGMuck    GREGHOGGWin £11.21 £11.21GREGHOGGReturn £15.33£0.59£26.54
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2011

    Cheers JC

    I will wait for other people's opinions before revelaing what i had and why i made the comments i did.

    But i will reveal that I genuinley had you on AA/KK/AQ, and also that i knew you were capable of folding those hands in that spot.

    I wasnt certain about Sully's range tbh, but i think it would have included AQ/KQ and possibly 9X hands... He isnt bluffing i think he is "seeing where he is" lol

    I will also add that i think i played the hand badly. But i am a harsh critic on myself.

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited April 2011
    Yh I have a lot of trouble calling here, the minraise on the flop from sully is suspicous but then for Gregg to shove all in after so much action it looks like a random 9 to me that doesn't want to see a turn and reckons they can get called by AQ/KK/AA.

    I really doubt he has QQ as that shove would be scary bad.
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  • splashiessplashies Member Posts: 3,680
    edited April 2011
    We can rule out AA KK and QQ as Greg would 3-bet pre because he wouldn't want to go three way to a flop with these hands.

    TdJd is the most likely holding here, although he has been known to go crazy with J3o (which he sees as the nutz).
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited April 2011
    Get it in and give him another stack.

    If Greg has QQ or a 9x hand, I think his shove is bad on that board.

    He's making it easy for hands like KK/AA to get away.

    Flat the flop, give JC the opportunity to make a mistake when action gets back to him, and if not, it's easy to get it in on the turn/river anyway.

    But I was like 60 quid down at 20nl last night. I find it hard there, it's easier to read players higher up ;););)

    Holding J7 against 22 on a J 7 2 flop doesn't help either :(


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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: FAO Greghogg, NL20, Lay down overpair on flop:
    Get it in and give him another stack. If Greg has QQ or a 9x hand, I think his shove is bad on that board. He's making it easy for hands like KK/AA to get away. Flat the flop, give JC the opportunity to make a mistake when action gets back to him, and if not, it's easy to get it in on the turn/river anyway. But I was like 60 quid down at 20nl last night. I find it hard there, it's easier to read players higher up ;););) Holding J7 against 22 on a J 7 2 flop doesn't help either :(
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Ok the reason why i shoved was because i thought that at least sully would look me up, so i was shoving for value. I had no real reads but i think i was
    confusing this table with the others i was playing as they were loose!
    Anyhow, i must learn the subtlety of cash and not just jammin it in like a lemon. Its not often you flop trips, and basically they need a 9 to call me if they are half decent. So it was a terrible shove cos i lost out on valooo. lesson learnt...

    Nice fold JC, you were close in your guesses btw:)

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceDOHHHHHHH Big blind  £0.20 £0.20 £20.88   Your hole cards 9 7       arthur1965 Call  £0.20 £0.40 £30.30 JohnConnor Raise  £0.80 £1.20 £22.91 sully919 Call  £0.80 £2.00 £20.05 GREGHOGG Call  £0.80 £2.80 £18.93 DOHHHHHHH Fold     arthur1965 Fold     Flop    9 Q 9       JohnConnor Bet  £1.80 £4.60 £21.11 sully919 Raise  £3.60 £8.20 £16.45 GREGHOGG All-in  £18.93 £27.13 £0.00 JohnConnor Fold     sully919 Fold     GREGHOGG Muck     GREGHOGG Win  £11.21  £11.21 GREGHOGG Return  £15.33 £0.59 £26.54
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: FAO Greghogg, NL20, Lay down overpair on flop:
    Yh I have a lot of trouble calling here, the minraise on the flop from sully is suspicous but then for Gregg to shove all in after so much action it looks like a random 9 to me that doesn't want to see a turn and reckons they can get called by AQ/KK/AA. I really doubt he has QQ as that shove would be scary bad.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    spot on sir, wd
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