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Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep

ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
edited April 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Since the new mastercash players opened I've been playing deep a lot more, so obviously have been getting into spots pretty deep against regs which I wouldn't have done as much before (these are the first 200bb tables I've ever played on other than live). I'd been 3betting a fair amount but nothing too crazy I don't think. The villain in the hand is a very good reg, and he was pwning me in these kinda spots (this wasn't the only difficult preflop spot he put me in), he defo would have had a lot more experience on deeper stacked tables than me and I really didn't know what to do. Is QQ good enough to get stacks in btn vs blinds even 200bbs deep? Should I be flatting preflop because I'm sort of turning my hand into a bluff by 3betting here? But then if I'm only going to be 3betting AA/KK for value I'm going to become pretty easy to play against.

I was a bit lost tbh.
yb Small blind   £0.50 £0.50 £385.96
offshoot Big blind   £1.00 £1.50 £203.02
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
     
jimmynoleg Fold        
MRFOXXXX Fold        
sam1986 Fold        
villain Raise   £3.00 £4.50 £197.00
yb Raise   £12.00 £16.50 £373.96
offshoot Fold        
villain Raise   £33.00 £49.50 £164.00
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited April 2011
    Funnily enough I was in exactly the same spot about 10 minutes ago.  Opponents 3bet sizing just felt wrong, so I jammed 200BB with the Q's.  He still snapped me off with AcKc hitting a K.  Was pretty annoyed but then got to thinking (like you say here) I didnt really need to fire 200BB.  I certainly fold/flat with J's, Q's only being slightly less vulnerable, but equally vulnerable against AK. 


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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited April 2011
    with all the previous i would just click it back
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:
    with all the previous i would just click it back
    Posted by N1CK
    I can't 5bet/fold with his sizing, so in the end I just shoved.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited April 2011
    who said clicking it back would be to then fold lol.

    just get it in and hit a queen imo.
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:
    who said clicking it back would be to then fold lol. just get it in and hit a queen imo.
    Posted by beaneh
    lol yeah obv I'm not raise/folding QQ, I meant I won't ever be bluffing.
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : lol yeah obv I'm not raise/folding QQ, I meant I won't ever be bluffing.
    Posted by yb

    do it as a bruff. villain is probably terrible.


    maybe just fold pre?! lol
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : do it as a bruff. villain is probably terrible. maybe just fold pre?! lol
    Posted by beaneh
    nah he isn't as nitty as you :p
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : nah he isn't as nitty as you :p
    Posted by yb

    it's hard. I just love knitting cardigans.
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  • MP33MP33 Member Posts: 6,300
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : I can't 5bet/fold with his sizing, so in the end I just shoved.
    Posted by yb
    persoanlly i would have flatted pre after his £33 raise and reavulaute after flop

    What happened when you shoved?
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  • N1CKN1CK Member Posts: 1,453
    edited April 2011
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep:
    In Response to Re: Tricky preflop spot with QQ 200bbs deep : persoanlly i would have flatted pre after his £33 raise and reavulaute after flop What happened when you shoved?
    Posted by MP33
    what exactly would you re-evaluated???????
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  • BigBlusterBigBluster Member Posts: 1,075
    edited April 2011
    Not sure about the re-evaluation post flop. Does this mean if an A or K hits you check/fold? Or if a A or K doesn't hit you aim to get it in?
    This has got to be a bad move as he won't call your flop bet if he doesn't hit, unless he has kings or aces.
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