I was in the same position as you mate over 2 months i analysed the percentage that i went in at, and it was 77% in my favour, i won 23% of them hands. This was out of a good 30 or so hands i went in ahead.
So what did i do?
Stopped playing for a good 2 months, Re-cooperate, find the love for the game again, and just focus on other things for a bit.
Folding the 4's pre here would be madness @ 20/30nl.Posted by DOHHHHHHH
really? Are 3bet ranges that nitty? I cant see calling the 3bet being anything more than very marginally profitable, and I would think its probably -EV longterm
In Response to Re: CONSTENTLY BAD BEATS AND 2 OUTERS : Lots of people 3bet AK and QQ , some 3bet wider, some 3bet bluff sometimes (Not many in last 2 categories given positions) They dont always stack off either, eg KK on a A high flop, missed AK. With reads it can be a call but readless I think its a fold Also as you can see above you dont win 100% of the time you flop a set Posted by grantorino
In Response to Re: CONSTENTLY BAD BEATS AND 2 OUTERS : really? Are 3bet ranges that nitty? I cant see calling the 3bet being anything more than very marginally profitable, and I would think its probably -EV longterm Posted by grantorino
everytime I flop a set, mentally I have doubled up.
I actually quite like been 3bet when I've opened 22-88, especially if I've been called in 1/2 spots before the guy 3 bets.
You're prob right higher up the limits, but if you flop a set at 20/30nl in a 3bet pot, you double up.
In Response to Re: CONSTENTLY BAD BEATS AND 2 OUTERS : everytime I flop a set, mentally I have doubled up. I actually quite like been 3bet when I've opened 22-88, especially if I've been called in 1/2 spots before the guy 3 bets. You're prob right higher up the limits, but if you flop a set at 20/30nl in a 3bet pot, you double up. Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Obv if its likely to be multiway this changes things. Betsizing and stacksizes clearly have an effect too
Bit surprised you think you double thru 100% of time u flop a set, if its true then call pre 100BB deep all day
i think 44 is defo a fold.you know your not ahead pre so just muck it and move on.grantorinos hit the nail on the head.i wouldnt listen to advice off anyone called "crazy" ben.
Went in behind, came out behind. I was in the same position as you mate over 2 months i analysed the percentage that i went in at, and it was 77% in my favour, i won 23% of them hands. This was out of a good 30 or so hands i went in ahead. So what did i do? Stopped playing for a good 2 months, Re-cooperate, find the love for the game again, and just focus on other things for a bit. Posted by HartshorN
I'm 1000000% with doh on this, if you people stop being morons for a min its obv wwe are right, and lol at dirtydolla, first post i see... prob the worst post ull ever make, folding if ur behind pre lolol ok u keep playin like that dude
I'm 1000000% with doh on this, if you people stop being morons for a min its obv wwe are right, and lol at dirtydolla, first post i see... prob the worst post ull ever make, folding if ur behind pre lolol ok u keep playin like that dude Posted by CrazyBen23
Im not a moron just because I disagree with you. And its far from obvious you are right. There are situations where you can call a 3bet OOP with small pocket pairs, but I think people in this thread are overestimating their implied odds
Ofc there are situations were u can folding PP's. higher up for example people wont even stack off with AA/KK and 3bet much wider, but to fold in this situation is just a no-no.
In Response to Re: CONSTENTLY BAD BEATS AND 2 OUTERS : Im not a moron just because I disagree with you. And its far from obvious you are right. There are situations where you can call a 3bet OOP with small pocket pairs, but I think people in this thread are overestimating their implied odds Posted by grantorino
i dont think its a mistake to fold small PPs to 3 bets oop but i would agree that its a bit closer at these stakes
3bet set mining is sooo bad, u BOTH need to be at least 170+bb's deep to do this profitably...im with grantorino on this...the rest of you have big leaks in your game
u (and villain) need at least 15-16x the raise amount for the implied odds for it to be EV+ and pray that villain is an uber-nit/donk that gets married to his hand
even if his 3bet range is so polarised i.e KK-AA (which is absurd)
he aint gonna stack off on...
monochrome board
co-ordinated board ( 8-10-J) or (5-7-8) etc...
A high flop when he has KK
that third heart comes on the turn etc...
PLUS we lose the times he has set over set
or he makes runner runner str8/flush or someshit
also u need to consider are u closing the action?
and remember ur only playing for 95% of villains stack (rake)
*sigh* heads up 100bb's deep this is so bad, multi-way, its a small 3bet AND u close the action its a different story
I can't really say anything new without echoing what's already been said, but yeah, variacne happens i'm afraid. If you had the AA in that spot, you'd see the 44's and be like "OMFG, so sick!" and think it was a huge bad beat. But when the A hits you'd think "well, that's justice" and not think any more of it. Even if they've got 0.01%, it will happen SOMEtimes, just ul on the fact he sucked out. Oh, and you can't fold the 44 pre there to the 3bet either imo. Nh wp, ul. Cheers, Carlos Smitalos
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I was in the same position as you mate over 2 months i analysed the percentage that i went in at, and it was 77% in my favour, i won 23% of them hands. This was out of a good 30 or so hands i went in ahead.
So what did i do?
Stopped playing for a good 2 months, Re-cooperate, find the love for the game again, and just focus on other things for a bit.
Bit surprised you think you double thru 100% of time u flop a set, if its true then call pre 100BB deep all day
i think 44 is defo a fold.you know your not ahead pre so just muck it and move on.grantorinos hit the nail on the head.i wouldnt listen to advice off anyone called "crazy" ben.
Cheers,
Carlos Smitalos