In Response to Re: i know its not easy folding kk but!! : agreed yb, in the OP the guy KK is never put in a position to fold !! Just showing an example of when some-one IS in a position to consider folding KK and makes that CORRECT decision!! I'm not that good !!!! Posted by HITMAN_RV
Hitman ,your hand is different because 1. You are 200BB deep 2. You cold 4bet an UTG open which has been 3bet. This looks superstrong, unless their is some unusual aggro dynamic at table
If villain folded KK here, he is only correct to do so if he can narrow your range to KK+. If he can do this you have played the hand badly or need to adjust your ranges for 4betting etc.
Raising his 5bet is pretty bad imo . Also you should never be happy when he folds pre with 40BB already put in when you have the nuts and are 4/1 favourite in hand
Also while I kind of see why villain did it, 5b/f KK seems really wrong to me
In Response to Re: i know its not easy folding kk but!! : Hitman ,your hand is different because 1. You are 200BB deep 2. You cold 4bet an UTG open which has been 3bet. This looks superstrong, unless their is some unusual aggro dynamic at table If villain folded KK here, he is only correct to do so if he can narrow your range to KK+. If he can do this you have played the hand badly or need to adjust your ranges for 4betting etc. Raising his 5bet is pretty bad imo . Also you should never be happy when he folds pre with 40BB already put in when you have the nuts and are 4/1 favourite in hand Also while I kind of see why villain did it, 5b/f KK seems really wrong to me Posted by grantorino
Understood thanks, this was pretty much the consensus back in Nov!!
Table had been pretty aggro, not Glitter obviously, agree prob should check & see flop & re-assess, but a scary board & any Glitter aggression post, with his rep, & mi less experiance, it could easy have gone wrong!!
Again just really showin Pod a different example, from mi limited experiance, of where they[kk] can be folded!!
This was mi intention on the earlier thread when the OP was saying KK should never be folded pre, so I felt I had the perfect example......FROM MI BAD PLAY LOL
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1. You are 200BB deep
2. You cold 4bet an UTG open which has been 3bet. This looks superstrong, unless their is some unusual aggro dynamic at table
If villain folded KK here, he is only correct to do so if he can narrow your range to KK+. If he can do this you have played the hand badly or need to adjust your ranges for 4betting etc.
Raising his 5bet is pretty bad imo . Also you should never be happy when he folds pre with 40BB already put in when you have the nuts and are 4/1 favourite in hand
Also while I kind of see why villain did it, 5b/f KK seems really wrong to me
Table had been pretty aggro, not Glitter obviously, agree prob should check & see flop & re-assess, but a scary board & any Glitter aggression post, with his rep, & mi less experiance, it could easy have gone wrong!!
Again just really showin Pod a different example, from mi limited experiance, of where they[kk] can be folded!!
This was mi intention on the earlier thread when the OP was saying KK should never be folded pre, so I felt I had the perfect example......FROM MI BAD PLAY LOL
Thanks tho fella, GL
definately not folding KK in the OP - I don,t think i could fold it in the 2nd example either but thats just me