2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!

pod1

mitieng2Small blind £0.15£0.15£28.80WATERTAXIBig blind £0.30£0.45£26.78 Your hole cards47   68TreborFold    LnarinOOFold    corbett04Fold    pod1Raise £0.90£1.35£106.20mitieng2Fold    WATERTAXICall £0.60£1.95£26.18Flop  556   WATERTAXICheck    pod1Bet £1.95£3.90£104.25WATERTAXICall £1.95£5.85£24.23Turn  8   WATERTAXICheck    pod1Bet £2.93£8.78£101.32WATERTAXICall £2.93£11.71£21.30River  J   WATERTAXICheck    pod1Bet £11.71£23.42£89.61WATERTAXICall £11.71£35.13£9.59pod1Show47   WATERTAXIMuck89   pod1WinStraight to the 8£33.37 £122.98

grantorino

post in bbv

dont particularly like pre, and I also dont like your betsizing

pod1

i agree with bbv, but whats wrong with bet sizing?

N1CK

pod tell us your reasoning for picking your bet size on every street?  be as detailed as you can poddy, i dont mind opening that hand there.... but tell us why you did?

The_Don90

whats bbv?

To the person who said they dislike pre, why do you dislike pre, folded to us on the button and we raise with suited gappers, nothing wrong i can see

I like the bet sizing in general but have some comments. Pot bet of the flop maybe a little big though. Turn could possibly be a little more, charging them to fill up.

River after the half pot bet on the turn what is your thinking? It seems to me your not fully confident in your straight on the turn so why the pot bet on the river, i guess your happy to stack if he shoves?

N1CK

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!:

whats bbv? To the person who said they dislike pre, why do you dislike pre, folded to us on the button and we raise with suited gappers, nothing wrong i can see I like the bet sizing in general but have some comments. Pot bet of the flop maybe a little big though. Turn could possibly be a little more, charging them to fill up. River after the half pot bet on the turn what is your thinking? It seems to me your not fully confident in your straight on the turn so why the pot bet on the river, i guess your happy to stack if he shoves?
Posted by The_Don90

depends whos in the blinds

pod1

to be fair, the seat watertaxi was sat in was the seat of death. me and trebor had a bet on what time that player would lose his stack. i had 9.28 so was close to being right, raised his bb with my standard 3x. up and down str draw after flop so potted it, willing to take it down here, but still got options. turn i just wanted to build the pot after i hit, and then i bet as much  i thought he would call, had him on big pp with the c/c all the way down. was this wrong??

N1CK

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!:

to be fair, the seat watertaxi was sat in was the seat of death. me and trebor had a bet on what time that player would lose his stack. i had 9.28 so was close to being right, raised his bb with my standard 3x. up and down str draw after flop so potted it, willing to take it down here, but still got options. turn i just wanted to build the pot after i hit, and then i bet as much  i thought he would call, had him on big pp with the c/c all the way down. was this wrong??
Posted by pod1

it all sounds pretty daft to me apart from "the seat of death" part lol

pod1

it was a bit mate and you forgot to factor in the 2 bottles of wine lol

TWRAMYEP

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!:

post in bbv dont particularly like pre, and I also dont like your betsizing
Posted by grantorino

whoooot? nowt wrong with pre. betzizing is meh, didnt read rest of hand on second bottle me self.

grantorino

wow a lot of love for opening junk on btn in small stakes cash. Would be really surprised if opening 74s is profitable there except against very specific types of villain. From the way this played out I doubt this guy is one of them

As for sizing, flop too big, turn too small, river looks a bit big given way hand played out, but you got paid so maybe you are right

offshoot

its so lol that you bet small every time you hit. You put him on an overpair but dont think hes gonna call the turn if you bet big?

percival09

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!:

wow a lot of love for opening junk on btn in small stakes cash. Would be really surprised if opening 74s is profitable there except against very specific types of villain. From the way this played out I doubt this guy is one of them As for sizing, flop too big, turn too small, river looks a bit big given way hand played out, but you got paid so maybe you are right
Posted by grantorino

+1  .. a lot of people see the higher stakes player doing it and being successful, what they don't realise is them players have played probably thousands of hands together. If you know your opponents, fine. 

The_Don90

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!:

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!! : +1  .. a lot of people see the higher stakes player doing it and being successful, what they don't realise is them players have played probably thousands of hands together. If you know your opponents, fine. 
Posted by percival09

to both yourself and the guy youve commented.

The button is the most profitable seat in poker, simples.

I play low stakes cash, and i rekon raising any two is almost profitable here. 74s givess us options, if we dont take it down pre we can hit flushes and straights. Its onlu a suited double gapper. Its no different to say, J8s. These hands are actually probably even more profitable at these stakes than at the higher stakes because of the times we outflop our opponents and their not good enough to fold their middling pocket pair. 

 

grantorino

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!:

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!! : to both yourself and the guy youve commented. The button is the most profitable seat in poker, simples. I play low stakes cash, and i rekon raising any two is almost profitable here. 74s givess us options, if we dont take it down pre we can hit flushes and straights. Its onlu a suited double gapper. Its no different to say, J8s. These hands are actually probably even more profitable at these stakes than at the higher stakes because of the times we outflop our opponents and their not good enough to fold their middling pocket pair.   
Posted by The_Don90

Obv the btn is most profitable position, that doesnt neccesarily mean we can open any 2, and if we are opening 74s its getting very close to opening any 2

74s is different to J8s as the pairs it flops arent as strong. Obv we can flop flushes and straights, doesnt happen too often though, how good it is when we flop a draw depends heavily on opponent.

I can see situations to open 74s on btn, mainly against nits and guys who fold lots to cbets. I think the guys wo call light pre and call down with mediocre holdings are not the guys to do it against.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!:

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!! : Obv the btn is most profitable position, that doesnt neccesarily mean we can open any 2, and if we are opening 74s its getting very close to opening any 2 74s is different to J8s as the pairs it flops arent as strong. Obv we can flop flushes and straights, doesnt happen too often though, how good it is when we flop a draw depends heavily on opponent. I can see situations to open 74s on btn, mainly against nits and guys who fold lots to cbets. I think the guys wo call light pre and call down with mediocre holdings are not the guys to do it against.
Posted by grantorino

Right ok. When i flop ONE PAIR with 74s im likley to fold, and i think the OP is good enough to aswell. Secondly 74 isnt that much differance to J8 when flopping one pair. One pair is at the bottom of the charts.

I dont think anyone in the right mind is seriously raising 74s because they think they have the best hand, but simply because they can rep something that beats their opponents hand therefore we take it down without showdown. On the occassions when they cant we can hit straights, flushes, 2 pair, trips etc.

grantorino

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!:

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!! : Right ok. When i flop ONE PAIR with 74s im likley to fold, and i think the OP is good enough to aswell. Secondly 74 isnt that much differance to J8 when flopping one pair. One pair is at the bottom of the charts. I dont think anyone in the right mind is seriously raising 74s because they think they have the best hand, but simply because they can rep something that beats their opponents hand therefore we take it down without showdown. On the occassions when they cant we can hit straights, flushes, 2 pair, trips etc.
Posted by The_Don90

Why are you folding when you flop a pair? bet/foldingI assume. Im not saing you should go broke when you flop 1 pair, but there is a difference between J8 and 74 in a heads up pot btn v blind where both peoples holdings are often pretty  marginal 

If we can take pot without showdown great, if we can hit miracle flops great, it all depends how often it happens.  Not often enough imo aginst the stationy types that inhabit microstakes cash tables. I would prefer opening K2 than small suited cards against these guys.

The_Don90

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!!:

In Response to Re: 2 bottles of wine and a nice stack helps!!! : Why are you folding when you flop a pair? bet/foldingI assume. Im not saing you should go broke when you flop 1 pair, but there is a difference between J8 and 74 in a heads up pot btn v blind where both peoples holdings are often pretty  marginal  If we can take pot without showdown great, if we can hit miracle flops great, it all depends how often it happens.  Not often enough imo aginst the stationy types that inhabit microstakes cash tables. I would prefer opening K2 than small suited cards against these guys.
Posted by grantorino

no i play every hand based on situation, im comfortable playing in posision to stationy types. Now im very rarley going broke with one pair, simply because (maybe i do fold too much) but i can lay top pair down. How often is One Pair good when we have this size of pot(in terms of blinds) anyways.

Now im not going to get caught up in this debate any more, unless someone else responds, simply because its clear we have a differance of opinion.

N1CK

flopping tp with j8 on 8xx is rather much better than floppin tp with 7,4 we are talking kickers kids

yb

also when we flop a pair with j8 its much more likely to be top pair than when we flop a pair with 74. I'd still be opening with 74s otb fwiw, not sure if its +EV at micros though.

pod1

some good points chaps, def right about turn bet. why sooo much hate offshoot, i watch you on nl300 and think"man this guys good" and all i get is abuse from you. how about  your post reading " to be fair pod your turn bet should have been bigger, and i have noticed a big leak in your game, when ever you hit big you bet small, which is costing you money. hope this helps, offshoot". this way you get respect as a player and a person. please remember i am a recreational player who plays for fun, had a good laugh last night with ozzie, dylan corbett and trebor and i thought i would share a few hands, im all for people giving advice , thats what the clinic is for, but please less of the "its sooo lol" not a good look!