bit of a arkward one this, iv bumped into you a little of late even on this table too i think and to be honest i would never have you on that hand pre. I always say that spending a pound or two at this level can work to your advantage as it can keep everyone guessing your next move. However in this situation your not in controle pre flop and your now relying on hitting the flop big as you really ought to know the villain is gonna be firing out on almost all flops with that kind of aggresive raise pre. For this reason this is a big no no for me. post flop = fine. AS for people calling you a donk or a fish a have not seen that side of you but both yourself and villain have made very questionable plays here.Oh and NL4 is nothing like NL8 at all IMO Posted by beeasyonme
Totally agree with this. Some nice points also , thank you.
the only thing i dislike about pre is opening to 5x, 3x btn open is perfectly fine. calling the 3bet is very marginal and i would only do it if had a decent read on how they play postflop but its sooooooooooted so . you dont need to defend why/how you play your hands just ignore them, or just say 'ty' to super tilt them Posted by LOL_RAISE
Your input was one of the only reasons I put this hand up in the forum. I follow most your posts when it comes to helping the lower stakes.
Would you call a weak 3bet with no read but good implied odds or do you reckon 'lets this one go and develop a history with the villain.
Beeasyonme made a valid point also, where I think It's actually fine to show up with air to establish a history.
It's an interesting one with a several different views, but my honest opinion is that this hand played itself. The size of the btn raise depends on how much your getting called from the blinds.
the only thing i dislike about pre is opening to 5x, 3x btn open is perfectly fine. calling the 3bet is very marginal and i would only do it if had a decent read on how they play postflop but its sooooooooooted so . you dont need to defend why/how you play your hands just ignore them, or just say 'ty' to super tilt them Posted by LOL_RAISE
he really does'nt need to say a thing to tilt someone but just hit his very few outs lol, he did play fine though
In Response to Re: Got a barrage of abuse for this..... : he really does'nt need to say a thing to tilt someone but just hit his very few outs lol, he did play fine though beeasyonme Small blind £0.04 £0.04 £11.90 davesimm27 Big blind £0.08 £0.12 £8.99 Your hole cards 5 5 noddy9120 Call £0.08 £0.20 £9.33 yuranASSet Raise £0.48 £0.68 £7.24 syclopse06 Fold mjp123 Call £0.48 £1.16 £2.38 beeasyonme Call £0.44 £1.60 £11.46 davesimm27 Call £0.40 £2.00 £8.59 noddy9120 Call £0.40 £2.40 £8.93 Flop 3 8 5 beeasyonme Check davesimm27 Check noddy9120 Check yuranASSet All-in £7.24 £9.64 £0.00 mjp123 Fold beeasyonme Call £7.24 £16.88 £4.22 davesimm27 Fold noddy9120 Fold beeasyonme Show 5 5 yuranASSet Show K K Turn K River 3 yuranASSet Win Full House, Kings and 3s £15.61 £15.61 Posted by beeasyonme
Yes, I left the tables after this and had a look in here, got very very lucky, sorry.
pre flop is fine imo, although open less than 5x as it makes it expensive when you want to call with small pocket pairs, suited gap/connectors when you are 3bet etc. in cash these hands are great to play esp in position because if you miss the flop you dont lose much, when you hit you get stacks.
post flop is correct, have a purrr and if thats not good enough your still in good shape against an overpair anyway. doubtful he has a set/2pair/straight as he probably doesnt 3bet OOP with any of those cards! the villain played it horrendously, calling off £6 with Ace high. nearly got rewarded to ffs. but then he didnt wiiiii
if you're gonna call a 3 bet with a marginal hand, you want 2 things preferably-
a) position
b) suited connectors/small pairs
Might not be a suited connector, but it's close enough. You need something that has potential to flop well, and if they 3-bet, you know they're probably gonna stack off almost always at this level. That kind of makes position a little irrelevant, but hey- it's always nice to have anyway.
Agree with everyone else on the 3-4x raise- I don't like raising to 5 as standard, in early position I might be more tempted to get folds (no real need at this level to worry about people getting a read on what your raises mean) but on the button, 3x is fine- that means you're getting much better implied odds when you get 3-bet, you have to commit a lot less preflop compared to his stack size, making the call that much easier.
Postflop is standard as it gets, pair+fl draw=stick it in. Villain is a complete donk for leading out at a 3bet pot with A high for 1.5x the pot, then calling a jam. Unfortunately, idiots like that are the first ones to point fingers- as lol_raise said, just say 'ty' in the chat box, maybe with a smiley face too- that will tilt him SO bad! Don't ever feel you need to defend yourself against the fish. And whatever you do, don't educate them
*edit* oh, fwiw- I really really don't like that bet on flop with KK. Everyone's already checked, indicating they're not interested- stick a pot size bet in. You're either having 2 pair/sets slowplayed against you, or players have too weak a hand to call. All the hands you WANT action from (draws/single pairs) you're risking folding out, if you bet pot and are called, you can stick it in on any turn.
When you bet, remember what your goals are. To get worse hands to call, to be able to get away from bigger hands if they reraise, and to offer draws a bad price (primarily, anyway). Don't think you're getting away from this on flop anyway at this level, so whatever your bet it's with intention to stick the lot in, but at least price in all those weak hands like 67/89/A8/A5 etc.
very good insight from 3 very creidtable players. So what have I learned. Okay 5xbtn open goes (without limpers) but continue to call 3bets where I'm being offered value. I don't like the way I played the Kings either. Was lucky to get lucky. Was trying to get A2-A5 to fold and now having seeing the way the hand played out it's totally unnessecary. Lets hope I run well today. GL to everyone.
very good insight from 3 very creidtable players. So what have I learned. Okay 5xbtn open goes (without limpers) but continue to call 3bets where I'm being offered value. I don't like the way I played the Kings either. Was lucky to get lucky. Was trying to get A2-A5 to fold and now having seeing the way the hand played out it's totally unnessecary. Lets hope I run well today. GL to everyone. Posted by yuranASSet
Again only read the OP but I dont see why you got abuse. Your raised the hand knowing if you got the right flop you'd get paid. You got the right flop, you got paid!!! Nice and creative
Plus he makes a terrible lead and call on the flop. I wouldnt advocate the same line at higher stakes, but if your comfortable fishing at that level go for it.
Funnily you hear people say you have to bet bigger at those stakes in most threads. Which you did, just not with a preemy
lol, no mugging intended. I think the advice from everyone is fairly sound and consistent. Everyone wants to see a smaller btn open, some call, some fold pre, afterall it is a marginal call. The 3 was from went I just woke up. So creditable advice from everyone. Thx
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Plus he makes a terrible lead and call on the flop. I wouldnt advocate the same line at higher stakes, but if your comfortable fishing at that level go for it.
Funnily you hear people say you have to bet bigger at those stakes in most threads. Which you did, just not with a preemy