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Playing a marginal hand.
ZedsDeadBa
Member Posts: 176
How bad was this really?
This hand has been bugging me all day at work.
I dont mind seeing a cheap flop with this hand OTB but what comes later makes me question whether there is such a thing as a cheap flop!
However, I cant seem to accept that I did anything horribly wrong.
What do you reckon?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceDadandLadSmall blind £0.02£0.02£3.05cazmartBig blind £0.04£0.06£1.55 Your hole cards85 BoxsterCall £0.04£0.10£2.83bradders11Fold aRTy4freeCall £0.04£0.14£0.54ZedsDeadBaCall £0.04£0.18£3.01DadandLadCall £0.02£0.20£3.03cazmartCheck Flop 27A DadandLadCheck cazmartBet £0.04£0.24£1.51BoxsterCall £0.04£0.28£2.79aRTy4freeCall £0.04£0.32£0.50ZedsDeadBaRaise £0.40£0.72£2.61DadandLadFold cazmartCall £0.36£1.08£1.15BoxsterCall £0.36£1.44£2.43aRTy4freeFold Turn A cazmartCheck BoxsterBet £0.72£2.16£1.71ZedsDeadBaCall £0.72£2.88£1.89cazmartCall £0.72£3.60£0.43River J cazmartCheck BoxsterAll-in £1.71£5.31£0.00ZedsDeadBaCall £1.71£7.02£0.18cazmartAll-in £0.43£7.45£0.00cazmartShow22 BoxsterShowJA ZedsDeadBaShow85 BoxsterWinFull House, Aces and Jacks£6.89 £6.89
Comments
before looking at the opponents hand i had a hunch someone had AJ, dont mind limp pre and check on flop as its multiway i wouldn't be betting as likely 1 of the others has an ace. Should always be weary of your flush if the board pairs but at nl4 i wouldnt worry about that as a general rule im happy to stack of with flush unless strong read at this level.
In summary i dont think anythings terrible here but probably play it different and lose a little less
but as played, as YG said. Flat flop, deffo fold turn. To be honest it sounds like they were insulting your play by your OP. I wouldnt take any notice of someone that doesnt raise pre with AJ or either of them if they cant bet a decent amount on the flop with those hands.
They would have deserved to be out drawn had they lost imho.
call flop
fold turn
I dont mind the flat pre, you connect well its all good, you dont connect its a blind gone. But I think You could have been more cautious post, or conversely alot more agressive, if that was the action you were looking for: A vs flush draw.
You think Daniel Negrenue folds pre there? He'd likely raise TBF, but nothing wrong with experimenting with the suited gapper, small ball strategy bud. I'd like to think he knows alittle something
(Despite being crushed in all HSP seasons...)
Thanks everyone for your replies.
However, AMYBR hit the nail square on the head.
The table was limping more than a Napoleonic Wars re-enactment society. so I knew I could see a cheap flop safe in the knowledge I wasnt getting raised from the blinds.
I was delighted to see the Ace, instantly assuming that there must have been at least one raggy ace out there.
However there were also more callers than a bingo hall convention playing, so the oversized bet was designed to thin the field right back, whilst giving my flush draw a nice little return should my 2-1 shot hit.
Unfortunately it hit alright, right in the ****!
The only thing I dont quite understand is why I might have shoved the flop? This would have further reduced the possibility of any action given there was hardly anything in the pot at that stage, no?
Cheers,
Z.
The impression I got was you werent prepared to fold. You liked the draw and were happy to go with it, yes? Take the battle to them, you making it clear your happy to take Ax vs your clubs hoping someone has exactly that, which at those stakes they arent folding for 40p or 2.40. Dont leave yourself calling their jam, or being pot stuck at the turn.
I'm not saying I take the same line, but leave them with the decision, rather than giving yourself tricky ones when a brick hits the turn. Isolate the most likely hand, the A.
Thanks very much.
Z.
Smaller stakes, you are getting called by the A, you have the equity to take it, forget the ducks.
You are only a 4/1 shot to hit on turn, you cant assume you wont face action on turn. Flatting flop is much better imo, you are getting direct odds and you hardly ever fold out the A by betting
Amybr, Negreanu is playing high stakes not 4NL, he is usually playing very deep and his hand reading skills are generally very good. I doubt OP can hand read as well as Negreanu and I think Negreanu might adjust his game slightly to play 4NL fish
Again, if you read back you'll see I say I wouldnt take this line, or play this way at levels where you care about the money.
The advice I give is specifically relative to how the OP elected to play the hand. He clearly wants the action. It is obvious he is happy to get his money in with the draw, hit or miss - equally obvious that opponent wont fold A.
If he chooses this approach at this level, putting in the big raise on the flop looking for action believing the A will come along, his premium play is the jam. Gets maximun value if he makes his hand, doesnt leave himself in no mans land on turn/river gives himself 2 ways to win.
Again, I said he could have approached it cautiouslt (flat the flop), but if he chooses to go with the draw then he may as well go for the draw big, generating the small stake big pot on the flop.. Miss, rebuy.
if you like gambling as an underdog fine, dont see why op would bother posting here if that was his attitude
But thats not say the uber aggressive route is without merit. Hes seems happy to gamble there, as he himself confirmed. So If you are going to gamble there, you may aswell gamble for stacks, rather than leave yourself pot stuck at turn river. He knows where he is mostly, hence the name of the thread.