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Folding KK pre and KK and AA on an 8 high flop (last night's Mastercash)?
bandini
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Yes, I'm talking about last night's amazing Mastercash hands.
I'm certainly not going to criticise any of the players involved but what does everyone think?
James's pre-flop folding of KK I can almost understand due to the action beforehand but still not sure I could do it.
The other hand had an 8 high innoccous flop and, after a re-raise from a flush-draw, James folded KK, after not 3-betting it pre, and Brownndog folded AA. I know you shouldn't go bust with one pair but, again, I really don't think I could do it.
Was it because of the levels being played (£5/£10)? It looked like they were playing with scared money and I'm fairly certain that's not the case.
Like I say, I'm not criticising them, and even feel a bit cheeky for questioning them, but I'd be fascinated to hear what others thought.
I'm certainly not going to criticise any of the players involved but what does everyone think?
James's pre-flop folding of KK I can almost understand due to the action beforehand but still not sure I could do it.
The other hand had an 8 high innoccous flop and, after a re-raise from a flush-draw, James folded KK, after not 3-betting it pre, and Brownndog folded AA. I know you shouldn't go bust with one pair but, again, I really don't think I could do it.
Was it because of the levels being played (£5/£10)? It looked like they were playing with scared money and I'm fairly certain that's not the case.
Like I say, I'm not criticising them, and even feel a bit cheeky for questioning them, but I'd be fascinated to hear what others thought.
Comments
Then just gives up and calls when the 9 hits on the end
Nothing worse than trying to rep the hand your oppenant has lol
James folding KK, sure he thought Maurice had AA. Bet he was livid when he still called with JJ :S
Like DOh says they really don't like playing each other, think they would rarther play v other people for easier money. I guess if you are new to them stakes i guess the best thing to do would be to play like a nit and trap and just showdown some silly hands so you look a bit loose
That level though is like another universe
folding KK pre at 5/10 against capable aggro opponents sounds very unusual to me, no matter what the action
raise £40 lol raise A9S
3bet £110 lolufold KK
4 bet £240 james KK
5 bet £390 maurice JJ
lol raise FOLD
LOLUFOLD SHOVE
JAMES FOLD
MAURICE CALL
something like that
lolufold 3bet 100
james 4bet 215
maurice cold5bets to 350
lolufold shoves 100bb
i think KK fold is good, lolufold really should only have KK,AA there unless maurice is a nutter
But I guess you want to get paid with these hands menaing sometimes you have to change the way you play these hands,
Whenever I am playing AA,KK multi way I never feel comfortable effectivley slow playing v 3/4 opponents.
Especially due to being outdrawn so many times it started to make me feel like jamming every hand :S
Only when at the end i get the monies in & isolate v one action player and I am good at showdown do I sigh with relief
It's vey intresting that even at the giddy height of £5-10 do they employ the same tactic with the same high variance of play.
I guess it's deciding what line to take, sometimes going aggro and other times being passive.
Just goes to show how these top players do mix up there game
Did just notice that this thread was discussed on the Poker Clinic with Paul Jackson though.
And he thought James's folding of the KKs in the 1st one was totally correct.
And thought Lewis's folding of AAs was totally correct in the second one.
Only dubious one, according to PJ, was James's folding of KK in the 2nd one.
Interesting and has made me think. He's a smart cookie that PJ.