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Busted out..AGAIN! Could I have got more chips/done better?

GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
edited May 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Hi,
Was in £1k mini and had terrible hands until this, could I have extracted more chips??
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
Glenelg Small blind  50.00 50.00 2660.00
baz22258 Big blind  100.00 150.00 7100.00
  Your hole cards ·                                 J ·                                 Q      
rainman001 Fold     
DELTA Fold     
papi176 Call  100.00 250.00 6140.00
delboy1234 Call  100.00 350.00 10490.00
Glenelg Call  50.00 400.00 2610.00
baz22258 Check     
Flop
    ·                                 Q ·                                 A ·                                 Q      
Glenelg Check     
baz22258 Check     
papi176 Bet  200.00 600.00 5940.00
delboy1234 Fold     
Glenelg Raise  400.00 1000.00 2210.00
baz22258 Fold     
papi176 Call  200.00 1200.00 5740.00
Turn
    ·                                 Q      
Glenelg Check     
papi176 Bet  600.00 1800.00 5140.00
Glenelg All-in  2210.00 4010.00 0.00
papi176 Fold     
Glenelg Show ·                                 J ·                                 Q    
Glenelg Win  2400.00  2400.00
Glenelg Return  1610.00 0.00 4010.00
 This was the hand I went out on...Could I got away from this???? 
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
DELTA Small blind  75.00 75.00 3920.00
papi176 Big blind  150.00 225.00 4290.00
  Your hole cards ·                                 Q ·                                 A      
delboy1234 Call  150.00 375.00 10015.00
Glenelg Raise  300.00 <span style="font-size:11pt;color:#
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011
    I'm guessing I should have bet on the flop + turn?  Was kinda afraid of losing my "customer" lol!
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited May 2011
    1st hand don't min raise flop. i rpob prefer a flat 2 a raise

    2nd hand don't min raise afta limp, i'd make it ~600
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Busted out..AGAIN! Could I have got more chips/done better?:
    1st hand don't min raise flop. i rpob prefer a flat 2 a raise 2nd hand don't min raise afta limp, i'd make it ~600
    Posted by SHANXTA
    Thanks! appreciated.

    p
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    1. Is there an fd on flop? Prob flat flop if you are going to raise make it bigger. Flat turn, but I dont hate shove, he never folds an A

    2. shove pre
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Busted out..AGAIN! Could I have got more chips/done better?:
    1. Is there an fd on flop? Prob flat flop if you are going to raise make it bigger. Flat turn, but I dont hate shove, he never folds an A 2. shove pre
    Posted by grantorino
    Hi GT, Thanks for reply BUT,
    What does "fd on flop" mean?
    Agree with 2 tho.
    P


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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited May 2011
    Hand 1. If the board is flushing then this view may change. Hows the villain been playing? Looks kinda aggro just from this hand. I like to flat call the flop and show a little weakness but yeah, if you are gonna raise on the flop then make it at least 600 but probably a bit more. I probably flat call the turn too, give him a chance to fire again on the river. His river bet will have to be even bigger again if he does fire so i think that is the best way to get max value here. Let him hang himself Glen. If he checks the river you can bet then for value. As Grantorino said, he wont fold a FH if he has A or any other community card. If he has'nt hit his A then give him a chance through the remaining streets. You hold the absolute nuts here, you want him to hit something big so give him as many chances as you can.

    Hand 2. Dont have much of a problem with really. I think you may be just too deep to shove pre flop but i dont hate it to be honest. Its the easy way to steal what looks like dead money on the table. If you raise you are commited to the hand so shoving could work here i suppose. As the flop comes, its inevitable in my opinion.

    On another note Glenelg, i know you are reasonably new to the game. I am too mate. Keep going and learning from these players on here. 99.99% of them are really welcoming and give great advice.
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Busted out..AGAIN! Could I have got more chips/done better?:
    In Response to Re: Busted out..AGAIN! Could I have got more chips/done better? : Hi GT, Thanks for reply BUT, What does "fd on flop" mean? Agree with 2 tho. P
    Posted by Glenelg
    Sorry to hijack but "fd on flop" means flush draw on flop. Your suits havent transferred across from your hand history. Just red and black at the moment. Makes quite a difference to how you play this.
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Busted out..AGAIN! Could I have got more chips/done better?:
    In Response to Re: Busted out..AGAIN! Could I have got more chips/done better? : Sorry to hijack but "fd on flop" means flush draw on flop. Your suits havent transferred across from your hand history. Just red and black at the moment. Makes quite a difference to how you play this.
    Posted by DrSharp
    Thanks Dr. Hadn't noticed lack of suits!  I copied both hands to word.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    DELTA Small blind  75.00 75.00 3920.00
    papi176 Big blind  150.00 225.00 4290.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
    		     
    delboy1234 Call  150.00 375.00 10015.00
    Glenelg Raise  300.00 675.00 3635.00
    baz22258 Fold     
    rainman001 Fold     
    DELTA Fold     
    papi176 Call  150.00 825.00 4140.00
    delboy1234 Call  150.00 975.00 9865.00
    Flop
       
    • J
    • Q
    • 6
    		     
    papi176 Bet  150.00 1125.00 3990.00
    delboy1234 Call  150.00 1275.00 9715.00
    Glenelg Raise  1575.00 2850.00 2060.00
    papi176 Fold     
    delboy1234 All-in  9715.00 12565.00 0.00
    Glenelg All-in  2060.00 14625.00 0.00
    delboy1234 Unmatched bet  6230.00 8395.00 6230.00
    delboy1234 Show
    • 6
    • J
    		   
    Glenelg Show
    • Q
    • A
    		   
    Turn
       
    • 7
    		     
    River
       
    • 3
    		     
    delboy1234 Win Two Pairs, Jacks and 6s 8395.00  14625.00

     
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011

    The first one....

    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Glenelg Small blind  50.00 50.00 2660.00
    baz22258 Big blind  100.00 150.00 7100.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • Q
    		     
    rainman001 Fold     
    DELTA Fold     
    papi176 Call  100.00 250.00 6140.00
    delboy1234 Call  100.00 350.00 10490.00
    Glenelg Call  50.00 400.00 2610.00
    baz22258 Check     
    Flop
       
    • Q
    • A
    • Q
    		     
    Glenelg Check     
    baz22258 Check     
    papi176 Bet  200.00 600.00 5940.00
    delboy1234 Fold     
    Glenelg Raise  400.00 1000.00 2210.00
    baz22258 Fold     
    papi176 Call  200.00 1200.00 5740.00
    Turn
       
    • Q
    		     
    Glenelg Check     
    papi176 Bet  600.00 1800.00 5140.00
    Glenelg All-in  2210.00 4010.00 0.00
    papi176 Fold     
    Glenelg Show
    • J
    • Q
    		   
    Glenelg Win  2400.00  2400.00
    Glenelg Return  1610.00 0.00 4010.00
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited May 2011
    Right. Hand 1 changes somewhat. Now you should (only my opinion) be thinking of taking his odds away from him on the flop as there is a possible flush coming your way. This makes your trip Q's redundant if it hits at this point in the hand. I definitely make it 600/900 on the flop, make him pay to hit his flush if thats what he has. Even if he hits, at least you played the % right.

    Once the fourth Q hits, i flat the turn and hope that the final card is a diamond so he fires again. He probably calls your all in on the river if he hits his flush. Looking at the hand, it is very possible he holds 2 diamonds here. Letting him look at the river also allows him to hit his full house. Once you have the absolute nuts, you want them to hit big, so give em chance to. It gets you paid! Nice hand tho!
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Busted out..AGAIN! Could I have got more chips/done better?:
    Right. Hand 1 changes somewhat. Now you should (only my opinion) be thinking of taking his odds away from him on the flop as there is a possible flush coming your way. This makes your trip Q's redundant if it hits at this point in the hand. I definitely make it 600/900 on the flop, make him pay to hit his flush if thats what he has. Even if he hits, at least you played the % right. Once the fourth Q hits, i flat the turn and hope that the final card is a diamond so he fires again. He probably calls your all in on the river if he hits his flush. Looking at the hand, it is very possible he holds 2 diamonds here. Letting him look at the river also allows him to hit his full house. Once you have the absolute nuts, you want them to hit big, so give em chance to. It gets you paid! Nice hand tho!
    Posted by DrSharp

    Good call! Hadn't thought of that!

    P


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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2011
    Hand 1- raise more on flop 550-600

    hand 2- shove pre
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