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I haz KK, do I still have to call pre?

MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
edited May 2011 in The Poker Clinic
It's not often I post hands but this one is bugging me because as I went to click call I really thought the oppo had AA(a five bet shove). Had been limp calling pre a lot and not really betting without a hand. But I haz kings and should I really be folding them pre, especially when I'm likely to get shoved on by AK,QQ and JJ(and even worse that).
Appreciate some thoughts on it.
layerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
kgb-agent Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £1.81
EssexGent Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £3.41
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
Mohican Raise   £0.16 £0.22 £3.68
oppo Raise   £0.28 £0.50 £2.82
usoges24 Fold        
kgb-agent Fold        
EssexGent Fold        
Mohican Raise   £0.56 £1.06 £3.12
oppo All-in   £2.82 £3.88 £0.00
Mohican All-in   £3.12 £7.00 £0.00
Mohican Unmatched bet   £0.74 £6.26 £0.74
Mohican Show
  • K
  • K
     
oppo Show
  • A
  • A
     
Flop
   
  • K
  • 3
  • J
     
Turn
   
  • A
     
River
   
  • 5
     
oppo Win Three Aces £5.79   £5.79
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2011
    I cant fold Kings pre, sometimes i have had it spot on they have Aces but still call. Like you say if he stacks of with AK, QQ alone its an auto call really
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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited May 2011
    Also need to add that I've a very LAG image and when I say I'm likely to get shoved on by Ak,qq or worse,it's at this level, not the player.
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  • CrazyBen23CrazyBen23 Member Posts: 865
    edited May 2011
    Never folding KK at 4nl
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited May 2011
    This is 4NL, you're having a giraffe right ?
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    you want to 4b/f KK against a 70BB stack? come on

    If you think he only has AA when he 5bets dont 4bet
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2011
    I've folded K's pre twice in 6 years, playing around 60hrs a week for the last 3 years.

    Ahead or behind, its just very difficult to do and only really possible with alot of player knowledge and multiple layers of betting.

    But at NL4, I'd take a pretty good bet that if you folded there, you'd be the first person to EVER fold K's pre at that level :p
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  • CrunchybobCrunchybob Member Posts: 576
    edited May 2011
    sick hand, would of been intense to watch live lol king on flop, ace on turn. ul tho. i wouldnt of folded, easily can grind ur loss back.
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  • TINTINTINTIN Member Posts: 1,612
    edited May 2011
    call all day long, you can always bink whih u very nearly did
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  • walesboywalesboy Member Posts: 993
    edited May 2011
    it's all going in from me
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited May 2011
    100% all in
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited May 2011
    snap call

    The only way I am folding in that spot is in a big MTT and I am very very deeply stacked like 40+BB, i can fold as i know he got AA.
    or like on the bubble where the diff is zero or thousands.

    Folding KK anything near 15-30 BB is a NO NO IMO







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  • hamster880hamster880 Member Posts: 142
    edited May 2011
    I have folded kk pre twice before over a long period of time. I think you can only do it, if either it is a tourny and maybe a massive move up the pay scale, and or you are super deep in cash AND have a very good read on your opponent. 

    The thing is your situation above he played the aces quite aggressively (and potentially could have lost a lot of value), so it is not obivous, and also if you have a LAGy image more people are going to make moves against you with lesser hands. 

    All that said getting into the meta game of thinking the guy has aces at N4 is pretty pointless to be honest. All you have to do is value bet well at that level as people are shoving with range from small pocket/qj. So just rebuy and likely next time someone shoves of your more than often your kk you will be head. 
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  • yuranASSetyuranASSet Member Posts: 485
    edited May 2011
    No brainer, get it in.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited May 2011
    Folding Kings pre in a cash game less than 100BB deep is burning money.
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