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Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1

The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
edited May 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Ok my whole logic of a smaller re-raise on the flop was there where no draws except for gutshots so im mostly looking to keep both opponents in the hand therefore getting MORE vaue. However once the second donk lead comes in and im still sitting with the stone cold nuts im now wanting MAX value for my hand. As its a dym getting max value here can be the differance between an easy cash and a grind to the end.

Opinions on how much to raise here.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
MACH_1 Small blind  10.00 10.00 2100.00
xpussycatx Big blind  20.00 30.00 2080.00
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
macacabs Fold     
bigal36903 Fold     
The_Don90 Raise  60.00 90.00 1930.00
Poker_Fail Fold     
MACH_1 Call  50.00 140.00 2050.00
xpussycatx Call  40.00 180.00 2040.00
Flop
   
  • A
  • 3
  • Q
     
MACH_1 Check     
xpussycatx Bet  20.00 200.00 2020.00
The_Don90 Raise  80.00 280.00 1850.00
MACH_1 Call  80.00 360.00 1970.00
xpussycatx Call  60.00 420.00 1960.00
Turn
   
  • 7
     
MACH_1 Check     
xpussycatx Bet  60.00 480.00 1900.00
The_Don90 Raise  ??????
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2011
    455, shove river.
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    Ok my whole logic of a smaller re-raise on the flop was there where no draws except for gutshots so im mostly looking to keep both opponents in the hand therefore getting MORE vaue. However once the second donk lead comes in and im still sitting with the stone cold nuts im now wanting MAX value for my hand. As its a dym getting max value here can be the differance between an easy cash and a grind to the end. Opinions on how much to raise here.
    Posted by The_Don90
    Personally, I'd just call.  Mach's check means hes folding anyway after xpussy's bet?
    Xpussy has poss got a Q in his hand but is scared of the A.  A raise might just push him off.   Just hope for a Q on the river and you'll be in!

    I could be completely wrong but that's my read.  Be good to find out how you got on.


    BTW you were doing ok in a tourney this morning which started at 2a.m.
    How did you end up? Watched for a bit.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    In Response to Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1 : Personally, I'd just call.  Mach's check means hes folding anyway after xpussy's bet? Xpussy has poss got a Q in his hand but is scared of the A.  A raise might just push him off.   Just hope for a Q on the river and you'll be in! I could be completely wrong but that's my read.  Be good to find out how you got on. BTW you were doing ok in a tourney this morning which started at 2a.m. How did you end up? Watched for a bit.
    Posted by Glenelg
    Came about 11th. Never really got going. 5 limpers per hand was making my 20BB stack not have enough fold equity to almost a raise so shoving was the only option. Never got the hands and lost a flip in the end. Standard.
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    455, shove river.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    this
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    make the flop raise bigger, raise close to pot on turn, shove river
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited May 2011
    Donk bettor is on the diamond draw.  PUNISH HIM!

    Raise to 500 to go.
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  • delaney09delaney09 Member Posts: 1,145
    edited May 2011

    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    Donk bettor is on the diamond draw.  PUNISH HIM! Raise to 500 to go.
    Posted by TommyD

    tommy drinking during the day in this heat is bad for you mate it must of got to your head theres no diamond draw lol but yeah raise to 450-500 don and jam the river
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011


    I'd say shoving 400-500 in at this level, on this board, will NOT be looked up.  Don is trying to get added value not scare the bejeezus outta his victim/s?

    If victim's  got QQQ then I'm prepared to stand corrected.

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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1 : tommy drinking during the day in this heat is bad for you mate it must of got to your head theres no diamond draw lol but yeah raise to 450-500 don and jam the river
    Posted by delaney09
    Blooming heck I'm going blind or something.  Ok, in that case just PUNISH HIM!
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    I'd say shoving 400-500 in at this level, on this board, will NOT be looked up.  Don is trying to get added value not scare the bejeezus outta his victim/s? If victim's  got QQQ then I'm prepared to stand corrected.
    Posted by Glenelg
    this villain will call with the case ace, any queen, and prob any kj, kt etc along with other hands
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    this villain will call with the case ace, any queen, and prob any kj, kt etc along with other hands
    Posted by SHANXTA
    I'm guessing you (and prob Don) knows the villain then?
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1 : I'm guessing you (and prob Don) knows the villain then?
    Posted by Glenelg
    i do, cnt speak 4 don

    althou in general most players in low stakes dyms aint foldin an ace or a queen here
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited May 2011
    i didnt know the villian this level of dym isnt one i play often (usually lower one or higher one) ive always missed it out. as a result notes and names at this level are rare for me,
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited May 2011
    I know I misread the hand earlier so I'm going to try to give some decent input.

    Villain is either:

    Betting small to make you flip raise
    Putting out blocker bets
    Making badly sized value bets
    Making badly sized bluffs

    We are huge.  A raise will make:

    Option 1 shove
    Option 2 call a lot of the time
    Option 3 call some of the time
    Option 4 is never calling no matter if you trap or not

    Bet your own hands in DYMs, make them make mistakes.  A lot of people still do not know how to play DYMs optimally, plenty of mistakes happen.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    I know I misread the hand earlier so I'm going to try to give some decent input. Villain is either: Betting small to make you flip raise Putting out blocker bets Making badly sized value bets Making badly sized bluffs We are huge.  A raise will make: Option 1 shove Option 2 call a lot of the time Option 3 call some of the time Option 4 is never calling no matter if you trap or not Bet your own hands in DYMs, make them make mistakes.  A lot of people still do not know how to play DYMs optimally, plenty of mistakes happen.
    Posted by TommyD
    Tommy im sort of half following you here (i think) but can you please explain as im not quite gathering all this in. lol.
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1 : Tommy im sort of half following you here (i think) but can you please explain as im not quite gathering all this in. lol.
    Posted by The_Don90
    Just tell us what happened!!!
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    don, what is the question?

    u have the nuts, if you are playing donks bet,bet,bet

    IF NOT,why not?
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    don, what is the question? u have the nuts, if you are playing donks bet,bet,bet IF NOT,why not?
    Posted by grantorino
    The question is how much? It is in the title.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    I think I also gave an answer earlier, close to POT
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Mid stakes dyms. Top set facing second donk bet. How much to re-raise level 1:
    I think I also gave an answer earlier, close to POT
    Posted by grantorino
    lol yeah u did. :).
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