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30nl, can I hero call this river? - 374836636

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
edited May 2011 in The Poker Clinic

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This looks like a busted flush draw to me, does it to you???

I think he had TJ of diamonds.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
eskie Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £29.55
rtc Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £31.40
  Your hole cards
  • 7
  • K
     
DOHHHHHHH Raise  £1.20 £1.65 £55.84
jollyboy1 Fold     
eskie Fold     
rtc Call  £0.90 £2.55 £30.50
Flop
   
  • 8
  • Q
  • A
     
rtc Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £1.80 £4.35 £54.04
rtc Call  £1.80 £6.15 £28.70
Turn
   
  • 3
     
rtc Check     
DOHHHHHHH Bet  £5.00 £11.15 £49.04
rtc Call  £5.00 £16.15 £23.70
River
   
  • Q
     
rtc Bet  £16.15 £32.30 £7.55
DOHHHHHHH
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    reads? you must have some if you are putting him on a single hand

    looks like Qx from a bad player to me. I also sometimes check back  turn
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2011
    I've seen him bluff missed draws before....

    He doesn't make this bet with just an ace.

    Not sure if he c/c 2 bets with Qx.....

    I think it's AQ or nothing......possibly 88....

    He probably does bet AQ/88 here if he has it, but I reckon he'd value bet it rather than pot it. 
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  • SHANXTASHANXTA Member Posts: 1,507
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: 30nl, can I hero call this river?:
    reads? you must have some if you are putting him on a single hand looks like Qx from a bad player to me. I also sometimes check back  turn
    Posted by grantorino
    from my experience wiv villain i agree wiv this
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    does he pot bet when he bluffs?
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2011
    Not seen him pot bet as a bluff in a pot this big.....

    It really would help if I didn't get trashed and could remember my notes....

    Without my note box I'm useless, but in smaller pot's he's deffo bluffed around a psb otr.

    I played him HU a couple of times recently too, and made lots of notes, I just can't remember any. Should post the hand before bed really.

    Sorry for flimsy reads.

    Just a fold then?
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited May 2011
    I dont call here fwiw but obviously you would have good reason to if you did
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2011
    Yeh it probably is a queen. Kin' fish.

    Would like to see it on the show though please..................
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  • CrunchybobCrunchybob Member Posts: 576
    edited May 2011
    i dont know at those stakes, but i normaly find that most players if they're chasing the flush they would bet the flop, miss on the turn and then check :s...stupid ino.

    would of been an insane call though if you were correct.
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  • QuadKingsQuadKings Member Posts: 69
    edited May 2011
    Im never calling this it would be one **** of a hero call if you was right but its just not for me
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2011
    I can understand from hand and the dynamic you speak of why you'd be tempted.  I rarely see the point in these spots though unless you have a soulread.  Its mainly for subjective reasons though.  If I hero call and I'm wrong It adds some steam to me for awhile.  Plus if he is bluffing there and you make the hero call, he's likely to tighten his range/betting pattern.  You dont want him doing this.

    The minority of times there the hero call is right and you feel like a .....hero? :p  I'm happier allowing opponent to keep feeling invincible.  Give him the pot, let him keep doing it then punish him later when its all to easy to predict his bet.
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