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NL8, What to do when facing 4bet preflop

Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
edited May 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Patching99 Small blind  £0.04 £0.04 £9.31
JINTY Big blind  £0.08 £0.12 £7.22
 Your hole cards
  • A
  • K
   
foxy228 Fold     
TRAG Call  £0.08 £0.20 £7.73
xRaise  £0.24 £0.44 £7.16
Patching99 Raise  £0.68 £1.12 £8.63
JINTY Fold     
TRAG Fold     
x Raise  £1.36 £2.48 £5.80
Patching99 Call  £0.88 £3.36 £7.75
Flop
  
  • 10
  • 9
  • 6
   
Patching99 Check     
x Bet  £2.08 £5.44 £3.72
Patching99 All-in  £7.75 £13.19 £0.00
Hand above, oppo seems okay, defo better than standard NL8 player.  My question here is preflop, once I get 4bet preflop I'm as certain as I can be that I'm up against AA or KK.  If I am right with this, is calling his 4bet a bad move.  The flop is pretty much the best I can hope for but most of the times it is not going to happen and I'm gonna end up folding or hitting and still being in a world of pain.
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  • silentbobsilentbob Member Posts: 2,137
    edited May 2011
    If you're certain that you're up against AA/KK then I'm folding pre here.

    By calling you're basically gambling that you're gonna hit a miracle flop which most of the time you won't.

    What makes you so certain you're up against AA/KK btw?
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  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: NL8, What to do when facing 4bet preflop:
    If you're certain that you're up against AA/KK then I'm folding pre here. By calling you're basically gambling that you're gonna hit a miracle flop which most of the time you won't. What makes you so certain you're up against AA/KK btw?
    Posted by silentbob
    I had seen him 3bet pf before with strong hands but not 4bet before and was sure he wasn't doing it light.  I know it is possible he could have a lot wider range but sometimes you just know...(or are confident at the time anyway).  His bet also looked like he was asking for me to go back over the top.
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited May 2011
    Might be a bit cautious but i probably flat pre flop OOP even with AK suited.

    Did you have a plan prior to the flop coming after calling pre?
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  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: NL8, What to do when facing 4bet preflop:
    Might be a bit cautious but i probably flat pre flop OOP even with AK suited. Did you have a plan prior to the flop coming after calling pre?
    Posted by DrSharp
    not sure about flatting as could end up 4 or 5 way and i'm 3betting for value.  No plan for the flop, just don't like the idea of 3bet folding.  Against most players at this level or readless im getting this in pre.
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited May 2011
    Post flop you gta stack.
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  • offshootoffshoot Member Posts: 1,049
    edited May 2011
    you cant call the 4bet. I would shove unless i had decent reads.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited May 2011
    Tricky spot preflop and tbh since starting back at NL4 I've been lucky and not had any spots like this but if I did I'd probably chicken out and flat like you have.

    Also your reraise after his initial raise could be bigger up around 80p+ for me.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    Decide what you are doing to a 4bet before you 3bet. 3bet bigger. Never flat the 4bet, shove or fold, I shove readless. If you are sure he has KK+ then fold obv.

    Personally I wouldnt 3bet in the first place if Im folding to a 4bet but maybe its ok at 4NL
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  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited May 2011
    Cheers all.  Thought I made the wrong move once I did it.  Basically need to 3bet bigger and dont flat the 4bet.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2011
    Did he have AA/KK then? and did u get there?
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  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited May 2011
    Easy game!!!
    Patching99 Small blind  £0.04 £0.04 £9.31
    JINTY Big blind  £0.08 £0.12 £7.22
     Your hole cards
    • A
    • K
    		   
    foxy228 Fold     
    TRAG Call  £0.08 £0.20 £7.73
    xRaise  £0.24 £0.44 £7.16
    Patching99 Raise  £0.68 £1.12 £8.63
    JINTY Fold     
    TRAG Fold     
    x Raise  £1.36 £2.48 £5.80
    Patching99 Call  £0.88 £3.36 £7.75
    Flop
      
    • 10
    • 9
    • 6
    		   
    Patching99 Check     
    x Bet  £2.08 £5.44 £3.72
    Patching99 All-in  £7.75 £13.19 £0.00
    x All-in  £3.72 £16.91 £0.00
    Patching99 Unmatched bet  £1.95 £14.96 £1.95
    Patching99 Show
    • A
    • K
    		   
    xShow
    • A
    • A
    		   
    Turn
      
    • 7
    		   
    River
      
    • 8
    		   
    Patching99 Win Flush to the Ace £13.83  £15.78
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited May 2011
    Remember this hand when yours get cracked 20 times lol !
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