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Live Etiquette check/How do you react?
AMYBR
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I was playing £50 double chance the other night around 65 ppl in 5k starting chips decent structure. Normally ends up around £4k in pot so its worth cashing in
I have the biggest spew monkey luckbox I know drawn at same table. He makes a ton of money......once in a blue moon.....which reinforces his horrific play, he forgets he does about £300 a night as standard on the nights I see him. But that one night where he streaks makes it worthwhile for him.
Anywho he says he's been playing tight lately pffffffff. First 5 hands he limps in, calls raise after limp. Breaks even mostly. Few hands later I find Q's on the button after he limps for 100, I make it 700 as I know he'll come along.
Hu to flop 1550 in pot I have 4k back. 10J5. He opens for 1000 I flat. I'm never folding, he will keep firing just for the chance to show a bluff.
HU ti turn 3550 in pot I have 3k 10J53 He opens for 3k, I say ok and call, but he wont turn his hand over for showdown. Hand itself is mostly immaterial, just curious as to you guys POV on the etiquette and how you react.
So I turn over my Q's, he keeps his hand in his hand. Dealer protests, I say just let him be a berk and deal the river. Dealer deals (a) K
He pulls one card from his holding, flips it over, being a K. I shake my head. Villain scoops pot I shout rebuy.
I say I need to see both cards, as I called and showdown was had. He point blank refuses. I want to see what he called 700 then bluffed streets with, also I want to show the table how much of a spewbox he is.
Dealer goes to collect the cards and I say no. Matched bet is matched bet, I want to see his other card. This goes on for a bit, for some reason I'm the one getting grief from the rest of the table. I ask for TD, villain stands up throws his card at me - being a 2. I kind of see red, get a bit verbal, not at card but at actions of spewbox.
Got to feel I'm in the right here?
I have the biggest spew monkey luckbox I know drawn at same table. He makes a ton of money......once in a blue moon.....which reinforces his horrific play, he forgets he does about £300 a night as standard on the nights I see him. But that one night where he streaks makes it worthwhile for him.
Anywho he says he's been playing tight lately pffffffff. First 5 hands he limps in, calls raise after limp. Breaks even mostly. Few hands later I find Q's on the button after he limps for 100, I make it 700 as I know he'll come along.
Hu to flop 1550 in pot I have 4k back. 10J5. He opens for 1000 I flat. I'm never folding, he will keep firing just for the chance to show a bluff.
HU ti turn 3550 in pot I have 3k 10J53 He opens for 3k, I say ok and call, but he wont turn his hand over for showdown. Hand itself is mostly immaterial, just curious as to you guys POV on the etiquette and how you react.
So I turn over my Q's, he keeps his hand in his hand. Dealer protests, I say just let him be a berk and deal the river. Dealer deals (a) K
He pulls one card from his holding, flips it over, being a K. I shake my head. Villain scoops pot I shout rebuy.
I say I need to see both cards, as I called and showdown was had. He point blank refuses. I want to see what he called 700 then bluffed streets with, also I want to show the table how much of a spewbox he is.
Dealer goes to collect the cards and I say no. Matched bet is matched bet, I want to see his other card. This goes on for a bit, for some reason I'm the one getting grief from the rest of the table. I ask for TD, villain stands up throws his card at me - being a 2. I kind of see red, get a bit verbal, not at card but at actions of spewbox.
Got to feel I'm in the right here?
Comments
But when you have won the pot I think it's very bad etiquette to think you don't need to show your hand.
If he misses his 3 outer on river I wouldnt have asked to see his hand, just carry on as normal.
1. Showdown is not until river, so he is entitled not to show his hand when money goes in
2. afaik, you have to show 2 cards to claim a pot
3. You are entitled to see his cards. However it is usually considered bad etiquette to ask to see someones hand if they just want to muck it. I know thats not really the situation here, but it may be why rest of table gave you some grief, although its more likely they are just fools
4. Throwing a card at you is completely unacceptable, and he should have received some sort of punishment
If its a double chance, why havent you taken your rebuy already so you cover fish? Also why would you want rest of table to know he is a spewbox?
Very bad ettiqute and i hope you stacked him later.
Have definitely played cash games where money went in pre, but cards were only shown when full hand was dealt out. Might be different in tourneys, and it might be something thats different in different casinos
Like I said though, wasnt about the ruling. Was about the bad etiquette. Just a really douchey thing to do.
Some people are like schools in August. (No class)
This thread is exactly the type of thing many-online only players like myself find so absorbing and helpful for the day when or if, we decide to give live games a go.
I'm going to ask Tikay, if the presenters and analyists could start up a blog or discuss this on tv.
I couldnt really imaginge developing a skillset online then taking it to a live game. Nor can I imagine just playing online blind, without honing my game live first. Takes all sorts though
Hard to weigh up the pro's and cons of each
I then went and signed up on here and played purely for the social aspect ie: I soon realised I didn't have the BR nor the understanding of BR management to make inroads and carving out serious profit out of the game nor the inclination to spend the time in trying to do so.
I also, could never have envisaged to go and play live (on my own) in a casino etc. as I was and still am, really clueless about the whole environment.
A lot of my concerns about entering a 'live-arena' aren't applicable to online play and hence the attraction to play poker is not diminished in any shape or form (bcoz I don't know any different) but I am fully aware by the comments posted on this forum and the SPT blogs....that live play is so much more enjoyable.
I hadnt really considored that going on your own can be so intimidating/concerning. But casting my mind back it does feel a bit weird the first few times.
Its very rare you'll meet an utter tool at the table. Most of my friend + ppl I associate with are poker players.
For the most part live players are either friendly or very reserved, both serving a purpose. Its pretty rare to find someone who is an utter jerk for the sake of being a jerk.
Most players are very happy to accomadate a newer player, but there are huge early lessons to be learnt and mistakes to be avoided that youre probably unaware of.
Friend of mine got crushed other weekend as his intention was to raise to £5 @ 50p/1, but didnt verbally announce it, just put a £5 chip in. Which is a call in most live games. However if he had put in 5 single £1 chips it is a raise without the verbal, but you cant one chip raise in the majority of casino games (without confirming your intent verbally prior to chip crossing line). But if you hadnt played, you wouldnt know this. Lots of pitfalls like this.
The other players must be pretty bad if you prefer them to have chips than spewy fish
Both just let it go in end, not as bad as ANTEGATE but bad enough (5:40 onwards This evening I will be playing the role of Lisandro)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Buqjfvh86HU
Thats the whole point of calling, you call to see there cards so they must turn first.
If he refuses then you refuse, call the TD over he can make a ruling.
The dealer should not deal the river if your not happy.
To claim a pot you must show both cards.
I would have stuck that card he threw at you in his mouth but hey ho
Because houses have variations on the rules if you are in any doubt then just ask for the TD to be called over
DON'T BE SHY IT'S YOUR MONEY