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I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment (apart from DuecesLive,

GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
edited June 2011 in Brags, Beats and Variance
My month-long MTT downswing continues (across sites, not confined to Sky). I thought I'd try my luck the 9-45 and 10-45 £3.30 Bounty Hunter tournaments this morning. These two exit hands that occured within a couple of minutes of each other and are typical of my current run of luck. Variance is really biting me on the bum at the moment.

Hand 1 (9-45) - We've been playing for an 1 & 3/4 hours, I'm in 5th/17 from 85 entrants, 10 get paid. This pot is played against the runaway chip leader, I get it in on the flop with 80% equity for a pot that will move me up to 2nd in chips, my equity increase to 88.7% on the turn, my opponent rivers one of his 6 outs to win the pot and eliminate me.

Hand 2 (10-45) - I get it all-in on the flop with TPTK and 86.7% equity against an underpair. By the turn I have 95.5% equity, then my opponent manages to river a 2-outer to eliminate me.
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
bellboy2 Small blind  200.00 200.00 30195.00
GaryQQQ Big blind  400.00 600.00 8925.00
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
martin111 Fold     
craigkebab Fold     
CJ111 Fold     
winder500 Fold     
bellboy2 Call  200.00 800.00 29995.00
GaryQQQ Raise  1000.00 1800.00 7925.00
bellboy2 Call  1000.00 2800.00 28995.00
Flop
   
  • 4
  • 10
  • 7
     
bellboy2 Bet  1200.00 4000.00 27795.00
GaryQQQ All-in  7925.00 11925.00 0.00
bellboy2 Call  6725.00 18650.00 21070.00
bellboy2 Show
  • J
  • 10
   
GaryQQQ Show
  • A
  • A
   
Turn
   
  • 3
     
River
   
  • J
     
bellboy2 Win Two Pairs, Jacks and 10s 18650.00  39720.00




PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
wayne1966 Small blind  15.00 15.00 2185.00
sjb10000 Big blind  30.00 45.00 1615.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • A
     
tednet Fold     
mel1961 Fold     
Ivey920 Fold     
GaryQQQ Raise  90.00 135.00 1672.50
wayne1966 Raise  315.00 450.00 1870.00
sjb10000 Fold     
GaryQQQ Call  240.00 690.00 1432.50
Flop
   
  • 5
  • J
  • 6
     
wayne1966 Bet  600.00 1290.00 1270.00
GaryQQQ All-in  1432.50 2722.50 0.00
wayne1966 Call  832.50 3555.00 437.50
wayne1966 Show
  • 10
  • 10
   
GaryQQQ Show
  • J
  • A
   
Turn
   
  • 2
     
River
   
  • 10
     
wayne1966 Win Three 10s 3555.00  3992.50
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Comments

  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2011
    My Live + online HH over last 9 days, (significant pots)

    QQ vs K2 (raised big pre K10556 (3LC)
    A9 vs A3 AAK83 (6%)
    AQ vs AJ AJJ52 (3LC)
    AJ vs K7 A4K57 (10%)
    A10 vs K7 A105KK (6%)
    AA vs 99 Q862 9 (4.4%)
    AJ vs 55 JJ97 5 (4.4%)
    AQ vs 77 AQ487 (4.4% back to back hands)
    AA vs AK 10JQA5 (ridiculous)
    AA vs 88 vs 87 A8564 (17%)
    AA vs 67 8925K (17%)
    AAvs JQ 10K479 (3%)
    KK vs 67 67104A (?)

    Mix in a dozen or so gut shot insane hits + bad 2 prs on river.  These are a mixture of live and online.  Just really awful hands as your going broke on virtually all of them, given strength of hand till river spawn card shows up.  Am a big fan of pot control, but know real reason to pot control these hands, just looking to extract.  Have lost the best part of 3K in last 9 days, s am pretty sure I'd give you a run for your money running bad wise.

    Hope it turns round for you bud.
  • CrunchybobCrunchybob Member Posts: 576
    edited May 2011
    wow gary, u are running terrible. that first hand is so sick.

    chin up and keep grinding.
  • MAXALLYMAXALLY Member Posts: 17,636
    edited May 2011


    Unlucky Gary, I feel your pain. I must of been bubble boy more times than anyone on here in the last 6 months but know, like you, are not doing anything drastically wrong. Hang in there mate and I hope it turns around for you soon. It better for me or I will have to get a milk round to make ends meet, and I ain't a morning person!, lol.

    BTW...The 'rule according to area51' is that in a B/H (regardless of actual cards), the bigger chip stack ALWAYS wins. Hope this helps :))
  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited May 2011
    Don't worry, you're not the only one :) just recovering from another horror session today. I get teased with a short session where things go my way for a while, then just battered with a ream of bad beats again.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Mflint1982 Small blind   150.00 150.00 1550.00
    FLOORMOP Big blind   300.00 450.00 1867.50
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
         
    DeucesLive All-in   1880.00 2330.00 0.00
    isiuldor2 All-in   4872.50 7202.50 0.00
    deadman370 Fold        
    Mflint1982 Fold        
    FLOORMOP Fold        
    isiuldor2 Unmatched bet   2992.50 4210.00 2992.50
    DeucesLive Show
    • Q
    • A
         
    isiuldor2 Show
    • Q
    • K
         
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 10
    • 3
         
    Turn
       
    • 2
         
    River
       
    • K
         
    isiuldor2 Win Pair of Kings 4210.00   7202.50
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Tigger5 Small blind   150.00 150.00 1160.00
    RELLENTLES Big blind   300.00 450.00 4515.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • A
         
    DeucesLive All-in   1525.00 1975.00 0.00
    Elwoodblue Fold        
    Tigger5 All-in   1160.00 3135.00 0.00
    RELLENTLES Fold        
    DeucesLive Unmatched bet   215.00 2920.00 215.00
    Tigger5 Show
    • A
    • J
         
    DeucesLive Show
    • Q
    • A
         
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • 7
    • 9
         
    Turn
       
    • J
         
    River
       
    • 9
         
    Tigger5 Win Two Pairs, Jacks and 9s 2920.00   2920.00
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    ob1kenobi Small blind   75.00 75.00 2460.00
    poppy765 Big blind   150.00 225.00 2980.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
         
    lees180 Fold        
    DeucesLive All-in   1855.00 2080.00 0.00
    11SK11 Call   1855.00 3935.00 470.00
    ob1kenobi Fold        
    poppy765 Fold        
    DeucesLive Show
    • A
    • Q
         
    11SK11 Show
    • Q
    • J
         
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • 6
    • 4
         
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    River
       
    • Q
         
    11SK11 Win Flush to the Queen 3935.00   4405.00
    Saved my favourite to last though. The old 4 flush AA vs AA is always a peach.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    xbootneck2 Small blind   75.00 75.00 3655.00
    JingleMa Big blind   150.00 225.00 2175.00
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • A
         
    mum26 Raise   300.00 525.00 3695.00
    DeucesLive All-in   1950.00 2475.00 0.00
    xbootneck2 Call   1875.00 4350.00 1780.00
    JingleMa Fold        
    mum26 Fold        
    xbootneck2 Show
    • A
    • A
         
    DeucesLive Show
    • A
    • A
         
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 6
    • Q
         
    Turn
       
    • 5
         
    River
       
    • J
         
    xbootneck2 Win Flush to the Ace 4350.00   6130.00
    Seen plenty around me too, it's just the way it goes sometimes. Shame a heap of mine came just when I stepped up a level though, now back down to rebuild agian... *sigh*


  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2011
    Nothing quite as grim as the AA vs AA suckout 4 to flush.

    Interestingly, your called my marginal hands in real marginal spots in these hands (other than last).  Solid thinking poker out there :p.  Hand 1 and 3 are just dreadful.
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2011

    I love bad beat threads :D:D:D
  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited May 2011
    im sorry to say gary, im currently down 28 bis this mnth(was 35!!) roll on june and a change in fortune pleeeese   phil
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,606
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Deuces,

    Could I ask why you went all-in on the first two?

    Also, bad luck on 3rd. Had that happen to me last week and I don't play anywhere near the number of hands you play!!
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment:
    In Response to Deuces, Could I ask why you went all-in on the first two? Also, bad luck on 3rd. Had that happen to me last week and I don't play anywhere near the number of hands you play!! p 
    Posted by Glenelg

    Not trying to hijack your question, but was about to start a thread regarding people limping short stack in Tournaments.

    So am not answering your question but sincerely put a question to you, as  I think your likely the perfect candidate to answer it.  Questions being (1) why wouldnt you go all with those hands?, (2) why wouldnt you go allin in that position? (3) why wouldnt you go all wiith those stacks?

    Sincere Q's as I've seen people doing this a lot lately, I have my opinion but would love to hear your thinking before I put my thoughts out there (if thats ok).
  • GaryQQQGaryQQQ Member Posts: 6,804
    edited May 2011

    Thanks for posting Dueces, I don't feel quite so bad now I know I'm not alone, that AA v AA hand in particular is sick.

    I'm trying to stay philosophical, all I can do is get my chips in good, bad luck can't last forever. I feel like I'm not tilting and still playing well, my roll has taken quite a hit lately but it's still in pretty good shape. I keep reminding myself that despite this run I've made a 4-figure profit so far this year, not bad for a low stakes recreational player. When my cards start holding as often as they should and I can win my fair share of flips I know I'll be back to winning ways.

  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,606
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment:
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment : Not trying to hijack your question, but was about to start a thread regarding people limping short stack in Tournaments. So am not answering your question but sincerely put a question to you, as  I think your likely the perfect candidate to answer it.  Questions being (1) why wouldnt you go all with those hands? , (2) why wouldnt you go all in in that position? (3) why wouldnt you go all wiith those stacks? Sincere Q's as I've seen people doing this a lot lately, I have my opinion but would love to hear your thinking before I put my thoughts out there (if thats ok).
    Posted by AMYBR
    Hi, no worries for hijack. I suppose I show my inexperience by saying that (even with AQo) I think I'm putting my tourney at risk by all-in.  If I can see a cheap flop I'll take it?  I've got 15 BB's, couple of orbits, I might even hit AA,KK,QQ,1010! Or as sometimes happens I pick up a small blind.
    Having said that I've gone all-in recently oop with 30BB's with 98o! lol

    I know, position, position, position!!
    Pad (doused in petrol! apply match and walk away!)
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2011
    You mention the 1st two hands especially where dueces jams Apic UTG with 6 and then 5 BB's.  I've seen people limp in these spots alot lately and I've put it down to people not wanting to put their tournament at risk.

    But your risking more by limping in the longrun, I really cant imagine why anybody wouldnt be allin, or worse still, limp into the pot. Limping with 5 or 6 BB's is just unthinkable to me, yet I'm seeing it constantly.

    Heck, maybe its me thats wrong though
  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited May 2011
    In a shorthanded game, AQ is an absolute monster- trust me, I'd jam with a lot worse!! 

    Something which might interest you is the 'gap theory', which essentially boils down to the fact that you can jam with any two, but you need a much stronger hand to call with. 

    If you assign a range to someone of, let's say, the top 30% of poker hands- and you can 100% definitively say that he will jam with any hand landing in that bracket, you can only call with the top 15% or better. Same goes for someone jamming literally every hand- you have to wait until you get a hand in the top 50% or better before you can call them.

    See why that is? If someone is capable of jamming with 72, your 89 is ahead of that. But they could just as easily be jamming with 9-10 or better, which dominates you. The person getting their chips in first is at a MASSIVE advantage.

    In these scenarios, it's even more simple- I have only 5/6bbs behind. There's no way off this for me, limping commits ~20% of my stack without getting anyone out, and raising commits even more. I don't really want to see a flop with AQ, I miss it 2/3 of the time, so I want everyone out preflop. If I'm unlucky enough to get called by a big hand, I dominate most, am in a race with some and only in REALLY bad shape against QQ/KK/AA and AK. Definitely the sort of odds I like.

    *edit* oh, and Gary- misery definitely loves company!! When runs are really bad it's always nice to see other experienced players going through the same, it makes me feel a whole lot better in a totally selfish way. :)
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,606
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment:
    You mention the 1st two hands especially where dueces jams Apic UTG with 6 and then 5 BB's.  I've seen people limp in these spots alot lately and I've put it down to people not wanting to put their tournament at risk. But your risking more by limping in the longrun, I really cant imagine why anybody wouldnt be allin, or worse still, limp into the pot. Limping with 5 or 6 BB's is just unthinkable to me, yet I'm seeing it constantly. Heck, maybe its me thats wrong though
    Posted by AMYBR
    I'm not saying I'm right. Just as a newby it's prob what I would have done!  Not now tho - I'm all-in!

    I'm guessing "over time" your way is best? 
    P
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,606
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment:
    In a shorthanded game, AQ is an absolute monster- trust me, I'd jam with a lot worse!!  Something which might interest you is the 'gap theory', which essentially boils down to the fact that you can jam with any two, but you need a much stronger hand to call with.  If you assign a range to someone of, let's say, the top 30% of poker hands- and you can 100% definitively say that he will jam with any hand landing in that bracket,   you can only call with the top 15% or better. Same goes for someone jamming literally every hand- you have to wait until you get a hand in the top 50% or better before you can call them. See why that is? If someone is capable of jamming with 72, your 89 is ahead of that. But they could just as easily be jamming with 9-10 or better, which dominates you. The person getting their chips in first is at a MASSIVE advantage. In these scenarios, it's even more simple- I have only 5/6bbs behind. There's no way off this for me, limping commits ~20% of my stack without getting anyone out, and raising commits even more. I don't really want to see a flop with AQ, I miss it 2/3 of the time, so I want everyone out preflop. If I'm unlucky enough to get called by a big hand, I dominate most, am in a race with some and only in REALLY bad shape against QQ/KK/AA and AK. Definitely the sort of odds I like. Posted by DeucesLive
    Thanks Deuces. I know this is prob a correct play over time but I suppose my inexperience prevents me "shoving"?
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment:
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment : I'm not saying I'm right. Just as a newby it's prob what I would have done!  Not now tho - I'm all-in! I'm guessing "over time" your way is best?  P
    Posted by Glenelg
    I wasnt having a dig bud, just genuinely cant see straight at moment.  Beginning to think all the internet whizz kids have too many plays in their book :p
  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited May 2011
    yea, shoving when short is something you'll have to get used to- you have to just suck it up and prepare to get beat sometimes. If you're below 10 and you have a solid hand, stick it in the middle- if you take down the blinds only, result- 1.5bbs is a 15% stack increase minimum. If you get called, rely on the strength of your hand to hopefully pull the pot through and get a full double up.

    Quietly waiting for aces and kings is a surefire recipe to die a slow tourney death- when you finally get them, you're guaranteed action but not guaranteed to win, so you still could end up out. If you don't end up out, you have the same chips you had half an hour ago but with inflated blinds.

    Embrace the race! You're only inexperienced while you keep making inexperienced moves- force yourself into the mindset that when you are below 10bbs, you have two buttons and two buttons only- allin, or fold. NEVER DO ANYTHING ELSE.

    Then you have nothing to worry about! :)
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,606
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment:
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment : I wasnt having a dig bud, just genuinely cant see straight at moment.  Beginning to think all the internet whizz kids have too many plays in their book :p
    Posted by AMYBR
    I know that.lol! I really appreciate your replies to ALL my posts. Def no offence taken. I'm a (genuine) newby to poker and want to learn from the best and that's why I post and am always open to constructive criticism.  
    Pad 
  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,606
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: I don't think anybody on the site can be running worse than me at the moment:
    yea, shoving when short is something you'll have to get used to- you have to just suck it up and prepare to get beat sometimes. If you're below 10 and you have a solid hand, stick it in the middle- if you take down the blinds only, result- 1.5bbs is a 15% stack increase minimum. If you get called, rely on the strength of your hand to hopefully pull the pot through and get a full double up. Quietly waiting for aces and kings is a surefire recipe to die a slow tourney death- when you finally get them, you're guaranteed action but not guaranteed to win, so you still could end up out. If you don't end up out, you have the same chips you had half an hour ago but with inflated blinds. Embrace the race! You're only inexperienced while you keep making inexperienced moves- force yourself into the mindset that when you are below 10bbs, you have two buttons and two buttons only- allin, or fold. NEVER DO ANYTHING ELSE. Then you have nothing to worry about! :)
    Posted by DeucesLive
    GREAT post Deuces! Is that TK? lol. Where is it from? Sounds like I need that book. I do hope it's the Barry Carter one I won last week.
    Pad
  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited May 2011
    lol, it's not a direct quote, that's entirely my own work! ;)

    probably in quite a few poker books and posts around this forum in some form or another, though. It's a bit of a TK-ism, I must admit. :)
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