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Flop the world but best way forward?

phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
edited June 2011 in The Poker Clinic
HH: 376826075
At first glance, this looks fantastic.
However, this hand has been bugging me all day since it happened.  I'd appreciate all views on the best way to play the hand from the turn card. Vil is very loose reg player on here.

phil12uk Small blind  £0.50 £0.50 £119.71 vil Big blind  £1.00 £1.50 £177.20  Your hole cards K K    cazzie2412 Fold     FITF3 Raise  £4.00 £5.50 £241.09 DON_TON Fold     phil12uk Raise  £12.50 £18.00 £107.21 vil Call  £12.00 £30.00 £165.20 FITF3 Call  £9.00 £39.00 £232.09 Flop  A K A    phil12uk Bet  £16.00 £55.00 £91.21 vil Call  £16.00 £71.00 £149.20 FITF3 Fold     Turn  Q    phil12uk Bet  £25.00 £96.00 £66.21 vil Call  £25.00 £121.00 £124.20
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    Is he loose and spewy or a good lag?
    Whats his range for cold calling your 3bet with a player still to act? If hes good that turn card along with him flatting flop not closing action would make me throw up a little as if you are ahead its tough getting paid
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  • phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
    edited May 2011
    Loose, spewy - any 2 suited and always on the big game on Saturday nights.




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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011

    In Response to Re: Flop the world but best way forward?:
    Loose, spewy - any 2 suited and always on the big game on Saturday nights.
    Posted by phil12uk

    actually if its who i think it is, he would raise  with a A so now im thinking hes mega strong here ,  now knowing the player ( i think) check call river
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  • phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
    edited May 2011
    The pre flop call can mean a lot for this player.

    However, after the flop and turn calls his hand range is surely becoming more magnified? 
    Also, if that's the case, is my hand then becoming less appealing - esp with Q turning too?


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  • phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Flop the world but best way forward?:
    Phil, i know you floped the world but the bet sizeing isnt great imo it screams strenth so i do think he has a A here, as for river i bet 60-80 ish as long as river isnt Q. if he has AQ or aces your soo unlucky.
    Posted by iBLUFF
    I would be interested to know what the optimal bet sizes would be on flop and turn for this board?
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    well in that case bet flop bigger  , and either shove turn or crai depending how likely he is to bet if we check to him.

    ibluff, not sure what you are saying, if he doesnt have an A we have the nuts
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    dontIn Response to Re: Flop the world but best way forward?:
    In Response to Re: Flop the world but best way forward? : I would be interested to know what the optimal bet sizes would be on flop and turn for this board?
    Posted by phil12uk

    dont mind flop bet as you keeping him in, but you neeed to get money in imo, bet about 40-50 in on turn imo
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Flop the world but best way forward?:
    well in that case bet flop bigger  , and either shove turn or crai depending how likely he is to bet if we check to him. ibluff, not sure what you are saying, if he doesnt have an A we have the nuts
    Posted by grantorino

    im saying that if it is who i think it is, ok hes loose but surely hes not calling flop with anything but A? and surely AQ is in his range?
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited May 2011
    he doesnt need to bet bigger to get stacks in he only has a half pot bet left on river. I would bet bigger anyway though
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited May 2011
    keep betting.  bets/stacks are fine.  only be worried about a J/T on river but w/e we can never be folding only if a Q binks river I suppose
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited May 2011
    Shove river. 

    If he spends alot of time on washing lines, he will call from the BB with any Ax suited, no matter what the x is, and also stack off with it no probz.


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  • phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Flop the world but best way forward?:
    Shove river.  If he spends alot of time on washing lines, he will call from the BB with any Ax suited, no matter what the x is, and also stack off with it no probz.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Correct Sherlock :)
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  • phil12ukphil12uk Member Posts: 2,856
    edited May 2011
    Thx for responses.  Question though......

    When should the alarm bells ring on his hands?

    By the turn, and the fact he's still flat calling, should we be ranging him to AA, AK, AQ or QQ.  If that's the case then I'm only ahead of QQ.

    Is it way too nitty to be contemplating folding here?
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  • beanehbeaneh Member Posts: 4,079
    edited May 2011
    lol at contemplating folding


    LOL even more if you know who the villain is and you're contemplating folding.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Flop the world but best way forward?:
    keep betting.  bets/stacks are fine.  only be worried about a J/T on river but w/e we can never be folding only if a Q binks river I suppose
    Posted by scotty77
    Since the villain has been identified by Dohhh then any river could hit his kicker.  He's not folding though.  Shove all non-ace rivers.
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited May 2011
    In Response to Re: Flop the world but best way forward?:
    Thx for responses.  Question though...... When should the alarm bells ring on his hands? By the turn, and the fact he's still flat calling, should we be ranging him to AA, AK, AQ or QQ.  If that's the case then I'm only ahead of QQ. Is it way too nitty to be contemplating folding here?
    Posted by phil12uk
    Completely.  You dream of this coup versus this player.  If he hits or has hit his kicker so be it.  But he really can have any Ax here and is flatting any bet all the way down.
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  • FlashFlushFlashFlush Member Posts: 4,494
    edited June 2011
    I haven't played this guy that much, but from what i've seen when I do play him, I would check/call the river.

    Reason for this, he could just be floating the streets hoping for a check. He is more likely to shove the river after its been checked to him with a poor hand than he is to call a big river bet.

    If he has AA/AK/AQ he shoves
    If he is weak/floating he shoves

    There are a lot more hands that he is light with you can induce the bluff than there are hands that beat you.
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited June 2011
    He's not floating with a random hand on an AAKQ board in a 3way 3b pot.

    I think shoving is a lot better than c/cing because he may not bet Ax himself but he's definitely not folding it.
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited June 2011
    but this has got to be the worst flop ever to float?
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  • TommyDTommyD Member Posts: 4,389
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Flop the world but best way forward?:
    He's not floating with a random hand on an AAKQ board in a 3way 3b pot. I think shoving is a lot better than c/cing because he may not bet Ax himself but he's definitely not folding it.
    Posted by yb
    This

    This player is firmly in check call mode with his weaker aces and will call 100%.
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