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luck =profit simple

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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited June 2011
    You're trying to blame bad luck on all these hands but in some of the hands,your play has allowed them the option. 10bbs and a pp is always a shove or fold for me, same as Ak and 10bb's. Sometimes in poker you can play a hand perfect and still lose. You make your own luck sometimes but to continually blame bad luck for losing when your play could make a difference to the outcome of the hand is a leak in your game.
  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited June 2011
    but in those tournaments that you had good cashes in you obviously did
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited June 2011
    LOL RAISE- are my assements of his play wide of the mark or not too far away from optimal?
    Burnshortz- please post a couple of these hands in the pokerclinic and see what the others have to say
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    You're trying to blame bad luck on all these hands but in some of the hands,your play has allowed them the option. 10bbs and a pp is always a shove or fold for me, same as Ak and 10bb's. Sometimes in poker you can play a hand perfect and still lose. You make your own luck sometimes but to continually blame bad luck for losing when your play could make a difference to the outcome of the hand is a leak in your game.
    Posted by Mohican
    what do you mean?? so you are saying that if i had just shoved with these hands and got called you think the cards would have come different to what they did otherwise?? i still dont get you, if you have 22 vs AK allin pre then the 22 is still ahead no matter which way you look at it.
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited June 2011
    Look at the AK hand again.If you had shoved there,the K9 isn't calling and you take down a pot uncontested.If you take a pot down uncontested,you're never going to be out drawn and lose. If he calls with K9 then you've got him dominated and then it's unlucky if he beats you. But as played, he got to see it relatively cheap because of your play and all the money went in with you behind. This what I'm am trying to get across to you, your play has had a direct outcome on the result of the hand,not bad luck. If you get it all in pre with AK vs 22 is as good a spot against a pp as you can get but you need to win races to stay in a tournament.That is the luck element of poker.
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited June 2011
    Post the AK hand in the poker clinic and see what others make of your play. I bet All-in pre gets mentioned alot.
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    Look at the AK hand again.If you had shoved there,the K9 isn't calling and you take down a pot uncontested.If you take a pot down uncontested,you're never going to be out drawn and lose. If he calls with K9 then you've got him dominated and then it's unlucky if he beats you. But as played, he got to see it relatively cheap because of your play and all the money went in with you behind. This what I'm am trying to get across to you, your play has had a direct outcome on the result of the hand,not bad luck. If you get it all in pre with AK vs 22 is as good a spot against a pp as you can get but you need to win races to stay in a tournament.That is the luck element of poker.
    Posted by Mohican
    yes and i could do with some.
    it dosent matter how a hand is played when you go allin you are either ahead or behind now if you go through the hands on here you will see that when i was ahead I LOST, when i was behind with outs I LOST. you still seem to have a hard time grasping that concept.

    and i do post hands in the clinic
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    but in those tournaments that you had good cashes in you obviously did
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    yes allin 3 times, in 3 different tournys.
    2 i was knocked out and i did win a tourny but only my allin was the last hand played.
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    Post the AK hand in the poker clinic and see what others make of your play. I bet All-in pre gets mentioned alot.
    Posted by Mohican
    you seem to like talking about this hand, he could so easily be betting with nothing there. in you world do you make that call pre with K9????
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple : you seem to like talking about this hand, he could so easily be betting with nothing there. in you world do you make that call pre with K9????
    Posted by BURNShurtz
    In my world,on the button in an unopened pot I'd be raising with K9.
    In my world ,Id be calling your small raise in position if I'd limped(I never limp on the buttonFTW)
    In my world, I'd be shoving with AK and 10bb's especially with a limper.
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple : you seem to like talking about this hand, he could so easily be betting with nothing there. in you world do you make that call pre with K9????
    Posted by BURNShurtz
    I mention this a lot because it epitomises what's wrong with your game. He has hasn't bet,he's limped on the button with K9 off.You have 10 bb's and AK,there's no better spot to shove them in. You're saying it's bad luck that you lost that hand when in reality it's bad play.Please post it in the clinic and see what others have to say.
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple:
    In Response to Re: luck =profit simple : I mention this a lot because it epitomises what's wrong with your game. He has hasn't bet,he's limped on the button with K9 off.You have 10 bb's and AK,there's no better spot to shove them in. You're saying it's bad luck that you lost that hand when in reality it's bad play.Please post it in the clinic and see what others have to say.
    Posted by Mohican
    so i should of shoved pre with all the other hands i lost too??
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BURNShurtz Small blind  15.00 15.00 1895.00
    BLUFFA360 Big blind  30.00 45.00 2060.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
         
    kpbignuts Fold     
    DONNA1960 Fold     
    Moonmin Fold     
    ZOLA250 Fold     
    BURNShurtz Raise  105.00 150.00 1790.00
    BLUFFA360 Call  90.00 240.00 1970.00
    Flop
       
    • 3
    • 2
    • 5
         
    BURNShurtz Bet  120.00 360.00 1670.00
    BLUFFA360 Call  120.00 480.00 1850.00
    Turn
       
    • A
         
    BURNShurtz Bet  240.00 720.00 1430.00
    BLUFFA360 Call  240.00 960.00 1610.00
    River
       
    • K
         
    BURNShurtz Bet  480.00 1440.00 950.00
    BLUFFA360 All-in  1610.00 3050.00 0.00
    BURNShurtz All-in  950.00 4000.00 0.00
    BLUFFA360 Unmatched bet  180.00 3820.00 180.00
    BURNShurtz Show
    • K
    • A
       
    BLUFFA360 Show
    • A
    • 3
       
    BLUFFA360 Win Flush to the Ace 3820.00  4000.00
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    should i have just gone allin pre on the above hand too?
  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited June 2011
    No,played it well. Just unlucky that on the flop he has straight and flush draws and unless you shove no bet is gonna shake him(he still might call and you're never shoving in that spot anyway).On the turn the A is really unlucky for you but it's not because you've played bad but because in this hand you've got unlucky. Keep playing like that and you'll get the money more times than you dont.It's a straight forward cooler.
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    £1000 bounty hunter cant even hit a card like people do agaist me
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    bhoyboc Small blind  30.00 30.00 350.00
    Scannerm Big blind  60.00 90.00 9825.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • A
         
    robbee74 Fold     
    BURNShurtz Raise  240.00 330.00 1230.00
    GUANABATZ_ Fold     
    Claire120 Fold     
    bhoyboc Call  210.00 540.00 140.00
    Scannerm Fold     
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • 8
    • J
         
    bhoyboc All-in  140.00 680.00 0.00
    BURNShurtz Call  140.00 820.00 1090.00
    bhoyboc Show
    • 8
    • 9
       
    BURNShurtz Show
    • K
    • A
       
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    River
       
    • 3
         
    bhoyboc Win Pair of 8s 820.00  820.00
    then the same player again
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    Claire120 Small blind  30.00 30.00 3920.00
    bhoyboc Big blind  60.00 90.00 970.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
         
    Scannerm Fold     
    BURNShurtz Raise  240.00 330.00 640.00
    GUANABATZ_ Fold     
    Claire120 Call  210.00 540.00 3710.00
    bhoyboc Call  180.00 720.00 790.00
    Flop
       
    • 8
    • A
    • 2
         
    Claire120 Check     
    bhoyboc Check     
    BURNShurtz All-in  640.00 1360.00 0.00
    Claire120 Fold     
    bhoyboc Call  640.00 2000.00 150.00
    bhoyboc Show
    • A
    • 6
       
    BURNShurtz Show
    • J
    • J
       
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    River
       
    • 4
         
    bhoyboc Win Pair of Aces 2000.00  2150.00
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    no more tourney poker from now on, £300 bounty hunter.
    sick as ****
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    turnz64 Small blind  75.00 75.00 13945.00
    cool0 Big blind  150.00 225.00 5015.00
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • K
         
    Smiler4 Raise  300.00 525.00 5105.00
    BURNShurtz Call  300.00 825.00 3960.00
    L_BACK Fold     
    turnz64 Call  225.00 1050.00 13720.00
    cool0 Call  150.00 1200.00 4865.00
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • K
    • 6
         
    turnz64 Check     
    cool0 Check     
    Smiler4 Bet  900.00 2100.00 4205.00
    BURNShurtz All-in  3960.00 6060.00 0.00
    turnz64 Fold     
    cool0 All-in  4865.00 10925.00 0.00
    Smiler4 Fold     
    cool0 Unmatched bet  905.00 10020.00 905.00
    cool0 Show
    • 2
    • Q
       
    BURNShurtz Show
    • J
    • K
       
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    River
       
    • A
         
    cool0 Win Flush to the Ace 10020.00  10925.00
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    this was lucky in a way as i got timed out, however if i had played i would of been out of another game.
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BURNShurtz Small blind  50.00 50.00 3085.00
    slimshivvy Big blind  100.00 150.00 3730.00
      Your hole cards
    • 5
    • 5
         
    frankie103 Call  100.00 250.00 2937.50
    Gnome1983 Fold     
    BIGDAVE614 Call  100.00 350.00 460.00
    BURNShurtz Fold     
    slimshivvy Check     
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • 6
    • 9
         
    slimshivvy Bet  350.00 700.00 3380.00
    frankie103 Call  350.00 1050.00 2587.50
    BIGDAVE614 All-in  460.00 1510.00 0.00
    slimshivvy Call  110.00 1620.00 3270.00
    frankie103 Call  110.00 1730.00 2477.50
    Turn
       
    • 2
         
    slimshivvy Bet  865.00 2595.00 2405.00
    frankie103 Call  865.00 3460.00 1612.50
    River
       
    • 8
         
    slimshivvy Bet  1730.00 5190.00 675.00
    frankie103 All-in  1612.50 6802.50 0.00
    slimshivvy Unmatched bet  117.50 6685.00 792.50
    slimshivvy Show
    • 2
    • 9
       
    frankie103 Show
    • J
    • 7
       
    BIGDAVE614 Show
    • A
    • A
       
    frankie103 Win Straight to the 9 6685.00  6685.00
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    £5 omaha DYM

    OMG sik as ****, lucky C0CKSUCKER
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BURNShurtz Small blind  50.00 50.00 880.00
    gb_wann Big blind  100.00 150.00 4925.00
      Your hole cards
    • 5
    • K
    • K
    • Q
         
    thefoo Fold     
    KERNINHO Fold     
    BURNShurtz All-in  880.00 1030.00 0.00
    gb_wann Call  830.00 1860.00 4095.00
    BURNShurtz Show
    • 5
    • K
    • K
    • Q
       
    gb_wann Show
    • K
    • J
    • J
    • 3
       
    Flop
       
    • 10
    • A
    • 10
         
    Turn
       
    • Q
         
    River
       
    • 9
         
    gb_wann Win Straight to the Ace 1860.00  5955.00
  • BURNShurtzBURNShurtz Member Posts: 1,005
    edited June 2011
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    BURNShurtz Small blind  150.00 150.00 1307.50
    dolfin Big blind  300.00 450.00 5857.50
      Your hole cards
    • A
    • Q
         
    easy_rider Fold     
    donnymac20 Call  300.00 750.00 2360.00
    BURNShurtz All-in  1307.50 2057.50 0.00
    dolfin Fold     
    donnymac20 Call  1157.50 3215.00 1202.50
    BURNShurtz Show
    • A
    • Q
       
    donnymac20 Show
    • 3
    • 3
       
    Flop
       
    • K
    • A
    • 6
         
    Turn
       
    • 3
         
    River
       
    • 4
         
    donnymac20 Win Three 3s 3215.00  4417.50
    another DYM lose in a row.
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