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Bottom set.....

ZedsDeadBaZedsDeadBa Member Posts: 176
edited June 2011 in The Poker Clinic
I've been told on a number of occasions to be prepared to go bust in a set over set situation and indeed I cant remember the last time I was crushed that way.

So, once I'd put that aside my consideration was the flush draw. So with this in mind was I wrong to call his all-in?

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceBaldy0007Small blind £0.02£0.02£0.56BarryQueenBig blind £0.04£0.06£8.01sonickBig blind £0.04£0.10£0.89 Your hole cards22   sonickCheck    IVISONFold    BIGDTRICCall £0.04£0.14£6.34ZedsDeadBaCall £0.04£0.18£4.84Baldy0007Call £0.02£0.20£0.54BarryQueenCheck    Flop  2410   Baldy0007Check    BarryQueenBet £0.20£0.40£7.81sonickFold    BIGDTRICFold    ZedsDeadBaRaise £0.65£1.05£4.19Baldy0007Fold    BarryQueenAll-in £7.81£8.86£0.00ZedsDeadBaAll-in £4.19£13.05£0.00BarryQueenUnmatched bet £3.17£9.88£3.17BarryQueenShow5A   ZedsDeadBaShow22   Turn  6   River  4   ZedsDeadBaWinFull House, 2s and 4s£9.13 £9.13
Regards,

Z.
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  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited June 2011
    ?????? 
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  • ZedsDeadBaZedsDeadBa Member Posts: 176
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Bottom set.....:
    ?????? 
    Posted by LnarinOO
    Thanks, real helpfull that, yeah!

    Z.
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  • LnarinOOLnarinOO Member Posts: 545
    edited June 2011
    jus not sure wot ur askin ? 

    obviously ur not foldin right?! 
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  • LOL_RAISELOL_RAISE Member Posts: 2,188
    edited June 2011
    wp, i might raise slightly bigger on the flop
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited June 2011
    TBF ZEDS it is a bonkers post.  Only folding with a massive soul read, bad poker even then.

    You should never really be thinking of folding on such a dry board, you have the 3rd nuts bud, snap him off and enjoy it.
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  • Patching99Patching99 Member Posts: 446
    edited June 2011
    Definatley the right call, think your about a 70-30 fav.
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Bottom set.....:
    wp, i might raise slightly bigger on the flop
    Posted by LOL_RAISE
    How much? Was Villain EVER going away?
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2011
    Good stuff Zeds, keep playing/running good!
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  • DeucesLiveDeucesLive Member Posts: 839
    edited June 2011
    Right, well first of all you answered your own question- always go broke set over set (or at least, almost always- there's very few absolutes in poker. You can say always go broke at NL4 with a set in fair certainty though).

    If you want to examine it a little closer though, villain is in BB. He is extremely unlikely with 4 limpers to check behind with TT, and if he flops top set he's then relatively unlikely to lead out- someone else would probably do the betting for him. So the only hand beating you here realistically is 44, and again- he's more likely to check seeing as he didn't raise pre.

    He has all kinds of 2 pair combos, flush+straight draws and even A10 type hands he's gone bonkers with. Your set crushes virtually his entire range, because I really don't see him having sets here almost ever.

    I agree with a slightly bigger flop raise though, maybe to 80p or so. That really is nitpicking, but every little helps.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Bottom set.....:
    In Response to Re: Bottom set..... : How much? Was Villain EVER going away?
    Posted by Glenelg
    we are not trying to make him go away.

    raise flop bigger, nh.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2011
    Nice brag thread.
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  • ZedsDeadBaZedsDeadBa Member Posts: 176
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Bottom set.....:
    Nice brag thread.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    What's that supposed to mean?

    Z.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2011
    It's a brag right ?
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  • CLIOKIDCLIOKID Member Posts: 783
    edited June 2011
    Er.

    Always call.

    If you think he has a flush draw, why would you ever consider folding?

    As you said too, set over set is an unavoidable hit.

    Keep getting it in with sets and watch the ££'s roll in.
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited June 2011
    I think he's seriously concerned by the overset with the flop 3 bet jam.  Which is a moot worry IMO
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  • ZedsDeadBaZedsDeadBa Member Posts: 176
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Bottom set.....:
    It's a brag right ?
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    No.
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited June 2011
    Hi Zed. Good stuff yet again mate. We can re raise biger on the flop but the end result looks the same.
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  • delaney09delaney09 Member Posts: 1,145
    edited June 2011
    So, once I'd put that aside my consideration was the flush draw. So with this in mind was I wrong to call his all-in?

    Never folding wp keep running good

    AMYBR he already said he puts guy on fl.draw so dont think hes worried about over set
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited June 2011
    raise bigger on flop to get monies in

    100% call you should never fold in this spot tbh

    pretty crystal his shove is a semi bluff
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