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folding AA
JONONZIE
Member Posts: 367
Had this hand tonight I know I should have raised pre flop !!! but was the fold on the turn right?
or should i have called the all in?
| Player | Action | Cards | Amount | Pot | Balance |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| FCPORTO81 | Small blind | 40.00 | 40.00 | 1865.00 | |
| JONONZIE | Big blind | 80.00 | 120.00 | 3370.00 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| hunston03 | Fold | ||||
| tadpole240 | Fold | ||||
| longers101 | Fold | ||||
| hitmansin | Call | 80.00 | 200.00 | 6032.50 | |
| FCPORTO81 | Raise | 120.00 | 320.00 | 1745.00 | |
| JONONZIE | Call | 80.00 | 400.00 | 3290.00 | |
| hitmansin | Call | 80.00 | 480.00 | 5952.50 | |
| Flop | |||||
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| FCPORTO81 | Bet | 480.00 | 960.00 | 1265.00 | |
| JONONZIE | Raise | 1560.00 | 2520.00 | 1730.00 | |
| hitmansin | All-in | 5952.50 | 8472.50 | 0.00 | |
| FCPORTO81 | Fold | ||||
| JONONZIE | Fold | ||||
| hitmansin | Muck | ||||
| hitmansin | Win | 4080.00 | 4080.00 | ||
| hitmansin | Return | 4392.50 | |||
Comments
You can make a pretty big bet here that will often be perceived as a squeeze or weaker than normal as in the BB. Never flat behind
I dont think folding flop to the 3bet is awful
pre flop wasn't great as you already know but I can't see how you could raise the flop for nearly half your stack then fold to the 3 bet, I would only do that if I was prepared to get it all in. there are so many hands that you are beating rather than losing to, he could be 3 betting with any overpair or even a flush draw or even a stone cold bluff with ak aq etc.. because of his stack.
I'm def calling there and if he has a set or has just called with junk and hit 2 pair or a straight then gl to him
But as you know the big mistake was preflop, gotta re-raise around 360 ish imo
on that flop dont see how you can fold if they have a set GG more likely they have a flush draw or even a pp
Easy reply this I was in donkey mode !!
At this table everyone was very tight any raise, and unless they had a good hand all would fold so I thought limp pre flop get some chips in the middle then raise the flop and take it there,
I was still happy when the flop was raised and with the board very wet i thought i would take it down there hence the big raise,but when the 3d player came over the top all in i guessed i was behind and with the initial raiser still to go decided to let it go
from start to finish this was terrible play i know. I put it up on the thread as sometime you need to put very badly played hands up to be slated so it wont happen again!!!
thanks for all who took the time to reply
Begining to wish i had just fogoten this hand
thought the first raiser had top pair so not to worried when he raised there, then i put a big bet (obviosly far to big) but wanted the other players to know I mean business and would go all in, (NOT) when the third player went all in i put him on trips I still had 1500 chip so folded I very rarely if ever limp with AA and with both players limping pre flop thought I could take it with a big reraise, but i wonder what would have happend if I did raise with my AA, (3XBB) if the all in player had a pair surley he would still have called then hit his trips on the flop? (dont want to even think about him having just an over pair) what do you think he had?
raise pre
get it in on flop
Hindsight is a wonderful thing flat calling my AA as you say is not the most terrible play if you have a strategy which i did (raise the flop) unfortunately the flop was about as bad as it could get with two limpers, the first players raise i was not worried about, flush draw straight draw or top pair so i need to bet enough to push him of any draw or small pair, also being a pot size bet on a low board he could even be trying to steal so i needed to put in a big raise at this stage player three has not shown any strength and I guessed he came along because it was cheap, now I put in a big raise which should take the hand down. 960 in the pot and raised 1560 on reflection this may have been my biggest mistake as it reeks of a resteal so when the third player went all in (with no hesitation) he either has the nuts, or a huge hand as he limped he could have anything my thinking was trips or he hit the straight and wanted a call, (although if he had hit the straight surely he would just call to get it all on the turn? )
So: 1 limping (anyone not limped with AA?) not the best play but also not the worst (acceptable just)
2 the reraise far to much it looks like a resteal and a bit desperate (bad play) unless you are going to shove any bet
3 the fold I think this is a hit and miss as there is no logic in the whole of this hand by any player he either has you well beat or not so it is players discretion whether to call or fold my take was I still had 1500 chips. and did not want to gamble with my tournament (acceptable)
this is my breakdown of the hand with your help, It started badly and it went downhill from there but as long as i learn from it it is not in vain
thanks to all epecialy DOHHH for your time and patience
you butchered the hand but you could still be in front and frankly you can't fold
He could so have 2 pr or set but hey ho maybe next time you will raise pre
Better to win a small pot than loose a big one
Also lets say you raise pre and they still call.
You get the same action on the flop, are you folding ?
No you can't fold here