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Full results posted because i just wanna know where went wrong?

tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
edited June 2011 in The Poker Clinic
First is the flop I think, shoulda reraised, second - cooler - both coolers?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
IVISON Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £10.18
tapeworm Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £6.11
  Your hole cards
  • 10
  • 7
     
Wakey_S Fold     
jamsam Fold     
Page_60 Fold     
BUMBA Call  £0.04 £0.10 £2.41
IVISON Fold     
tapeworm Check     
Flop
   
  • 9
  • A
  • J
     
tapeworm Bet  £0.08 £0.18 £6.03
BUMBA Raise  £0.16 £0.34 £2.25
tapeworm Call  £0.08 £0.42 £5.95
Turn
   
  • 9
     
tapeworm Bet  £0.42 £0.84 £5.53
BUMBA Call  £0.42 £1.26 £1.83
River
   
  • A
     
tapeworm Check     
BUMBA Bet  £0.95 £2.21 £0.88
tapeworm Call  £0.95 £3.16 £4.58
BUMBA Show
  • A
  • 4
   
tapeworm Show
  • 10
  • 7
   
BUMBA Win Full House, Aces and 9s £2.92
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
BUMBA Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.52
IVISON Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £10.14
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
     
tapeworm Raise  £0.20 £0.26 £4.48
Wakey_S Fold     
jamsam Fold     
Page_60 Fold     
BUMBA Call  £0.18 £0.44 £4.34
IVISON Fold     
Flop
   
  • 9
  • J
  • 4
     
BUMBA Bet  £0.04 £0.48 £4.30
tapeworm Raise  £0.43 £0.91 £4.05
BUMBA Call  £0.39 £1.30 £3.91
Turn
   
  • 9
     
BUMBA Check     
tapeworm Bet  £1.30 £2.60 £2.75
BUMBA Call  £1.30 £3.90 £2.61
River
   
  • 8
     
BUMBA Bet  £0.36 £4.26 £2.25
tapeworm Call  £0.36 £4.62 £2.39
BUMBA Show
  • 9
  • J
   
tapeworm Show
  • Q
  • Q
   
BUMBA Win Full House, 9s and Jacks £4.27  £6.52
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011

    ok they are coolers and im on a mini down swing - ughhhhhhh



    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    JJV Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.53
    tapeworm Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.96
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
    		     
    Leyster Fold     
    Jam385 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £2.34
    cain82 Fold     
    Paul_08 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £2.38
    JJV Raise  £0.12 £0.26 £4.41
    tapeworm Raise  £0.50 £0.76 £3.46
    Jam385 Fold     
    Paul_08 Fold     
    JJV All-in  £4.41 £5.17 £0.00
    tapeworm All-in  £3.46 £8.63 £0.00
    JJV Unmatched bet  £0.55 £8.08 £0.55
    JJV Show
    • A
    • A
    		   
    tapeworm Show
    • J
    • J
    		   
    Flop
       
    • 4
    • Q
    • 7
    		     
    Turn
       
    • Q
    		     
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    JJV Win Two Pairs, Aces and Queens £7.47  £8.02
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011
    All these hands within 1 hr of each other, and to make matters worse I subbmitted a blog to Sky about how online poker is all down to the player and not the cards action hands (ok the QQ last hand were played poorly, but wouldnt you be tilting by now!!!!)before i played - AREA 51 PLEASE MODS SPEEDY!!!! LOL!!!!
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    sedgley58 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.14
    AA____KK Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £3.96
      Your hole cards
    • J
    • J
    		     
    anderson56 Call  £0.04 £0.10 £1.35
    19speedy10 Call  £0.04 £0.14 £4.06
    widdy_786 Call  £0.04 £0.18 £1.37
    tapeworm Raise  £0.32 £0.50 £4.90
    sedgley58 Fold     
    AA____KK Fold     
    anderson56 Fold     
    19speedy10 Call  £0.28 £0.78 £3.78
    widdy_786 Call  £0.28 £1.06 £1.09
    Flop
       
    • 5
    • Q
    • 9
    		     
    19speedy10 Check     
    widdy_786 Check     
    tapeworm Bet  £0.80 £1.86 £4.10
    19speedy10 Call  £0.80 £2.66 £2.98
    widdy_786 Fold     
    Turn
       
    • A
    		     
    19speedy10 Check     
    tapeworm Check     
    River
       
    • 4
    		     
    19speedy10 Check     
    tapeworm Check     
    19speedy10 Show
    • Q
    • J
    		   
    tapeworm Show
    • J
    • J
    		   
    19speedy10 Win Pair of Queens £2.46  £5.44
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    tapeworm Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £4.25
    Leyster Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £1.54
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
    		     
    Jam385 Raise  £0.08 £0.14 £1.62
    cain82 Fold     
    IVISON Fold     
    tapeworm Raise  £0.22 £0.36 £4.03
    Leyster Fold     
    Jam385 Call  £0.16 £0.52 £1.46
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 10
    • 9
    		     
    tapeworm Bet  £0.52 £1.04 £3.51
    Jam385 Call  £0.52 £1.56 £0.94
    Turn
       
    • J
    		     
    tapeworm All-in  £3.51 £5.07 £0.00
    Jam385 All-in  £0.94 £6.01 £0.00
    tapeworm Unmatched bet  £2.57 £3.44 £2.57
    tapeworm Show
    • Q
    • Q
    		   
    Jam385 Show
    • J
    • 5
    		   
    River
       
    • A
    		     
    Jam385 Win Three Jacks £3.18  £3.18
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011
    In fact lets change the question......apart from the 2 shoves (one tilt one .....meh), can i get away with losing less? I think i did well on the rivers
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  • BigBlusterBigBluster Member Posts: 1,075
    edited June 2011
    Sh it happens mate.
    One thing though (no-one will agree with me, but heh!) I think you overplay JJ a little. There's a 50% chance of an overcard hitting the flop when you hold JJ (actually it's 47% but near enough) and when that happens you're in trouble. You raised big each time you held them but that didn't seem to scare people off.
    I think you're maybe playing at too low stakes and should move up.



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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Full results posted because i just wanna know where went wrong?:
    Sh it happens mate. One thing though (no-one will agree with me, but heh!) I think you overplay JJ a little. There's a 50% chance of an overcard hitting the flop when you hold JJ (actually it's 47% but near enough) and when that happens you're in trouble. You raised big each time you held them but that didn't seem to scare people off. I think you're maybe playing at too low stakes and should move up.
    Posted by BigBluster
    Thanks BB, but i wasnt trying to scare them of I was betting for value.....jsut kinda ended up being their value. I was quite drunk when I posted these and so was expecting to look at this post to see me playing awful, but most are just coolers.

    The really funny thing was I had littarally just submitted a possible blog saying that poker is all down to the player and not site being rigged, action hands and all that balls, then I get these all within half an hour......BR from £93 to £85 I demand an inquest!!!

    Oh and thanks for your faith in me but cant move up until ive got to £160....thems the rules, and if we didnt have rules where would we be?
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2011
    Wouldn't write them all off as coolers.......

    Hand 1 - Raise the flop again, 100%. Doesn't have to be loads more coz of his stack, but you have to put another raise in there. You get it all in on the turn that way. Snap fold river.

    Hand 2 - Is alright. Maybe bit smaller on the turn, but he's let you off on the river I spose. lol at his bet.

    Hand 3 - Is probably ok. I don't really have enough nl4 experience to know if getting jacks in pre 100xbb everytime is gonna make you money? You will prob know more about that than me, but I'd say it's fine.

    Hand 4 - I'd prob make it abit more pre. Post flop is good.

    Hand 5 - 3bet bigger pre. 36p, more if he was 100xbb deep. Post flop is good.
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Full results posted because i just wanna know where went wrong?:
    Wouldn't write them all off as coolers....... Hand 1 - Raise the flop again, 100%. Doesn't have to be loads more coz of his stack, but you have to put another raise in there. You get it all in on the turn that way. Snap fold river. Hand 2 - Is alright. Maybe bit smaller on the turn, but he's let you off on the river I spose. lol at his bet. Hand 3 - Is probably ok. I don't really have enough nl4 experience to know if getting jacks in pre 100xbb everytime is gonna make you money? You will prob know more about that than me, but I'd say it's fine. Hand 4 - I'd prob make it abit more pre. Post flop is good. Hand 5 - 3bet bigger pre. 36p, more if he was 100xbb deep. Post flop is good.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    good points and noted.

    in regards to hand 3 im not always calling. Id just sat down and was first hand. Im never folding JJ to aipf vs unknown at nl4. I just sighed and made a note.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    Hand 1 3bet flop, fold river
    Hand 2 fine
    Hand 3 villain dependent but prob ok
    Hand 4 fine
    Hand 5 3bet bigger, sizing might be ok against shorties though. I might bet less on flop, but its fine
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited June 2011
    I'd shove the river in hand 2.
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  • CrunchybobCrunchybob Member Posts: 576
    edited June 2011
    Hand 1: 3 bet flop, shove turn, imo i dont think u represent the flush very well so he probs think he is winning, then gets lucky on river. (dont give him the odds to call).

    i dnt understand why ur betting more with jacks than queens and i wouldn't call the all in with jacks(think u was tilted a lil)
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: Full results posted because i just wanna know where went wrong?:
    Hand 1: 3 bet flop, shove turn, imo i dont think u represent the flush very well so he probs think he is winning, then gets lucky on river. (dont give him the odds to call). i dnt understand why ur betting more with jacks than queens and i wouldn't call the all in with jacks(think u was tilted a lil)
    Posted by Crunchybob
    I bet more because there are limpers before me, whereas with the queens (first hand with Queens) I was first to act.....still should have bet more though clearly.

    Im not concerned by my shove with jacks, he was unknown, people reguarly turn up with much worse in this spot. I would always call a shove here when an unknown has raised 12p then shoved a reraise at NL4.

    If I know the oppo, and know he does this only with JJ+ I fold

    Yeah I agree with the flop comments on the first hand
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  • leon621leon621 Member Posts: 266
    edited June 2011
    At NL4 im not ever worried about over betting as the people that fold will probably be made up by the people unable to fold top pair and the fish.

    hand 1 im probably over betting the flop and the turn for value. Folding river.

    hand 2 im betting more on the flop and probably shoving the turn.

    hand 3 is fine at NL4 IMO as you will see people do this with any PP

    hand 4 is fine i would personally have him on a flush draw or top pair either way i dont think he is ever folding post flop.

    hand 5 i am playing this exactly how you played the jacks in which case im commited by the turn.
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