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FT OPEN top pair Average kicker vs random

YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
edited June 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Person in this hand had been very dodgy, would be aggressive pre but also folded some standard any call hand earlier vs shortstack with 10-1 odds or more to a min bet very bizzare. Because i hadn't played with the villain for long i didnt really have any showdown hands from him what do you do here?
YOUNG_GUN Small blind  5000.00 5000.00 233868.24
KAEBESS Big blind  10000.00 15000.00 296355.98
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • A
     
elsadog Fold     
HAYSIE Fold     
mrtee Fold     
YOUNG_GUN Raise  18000.00 33000.00 215868.24
KAEBESS Call  13000.00 46000.00 283355.98
Flop
   
  • 10
  • A
  • 3
     
YOUNG_GUN Bet  23000.00 69000.00 192868.24
KAEBESS Raise  46000.00 115000.00 237355.98
YOUNG_GUN Call  23000.00 138000.00 169868.24
Turn
   
  • 4
     
YOUNG_GUN Check     
KAEBESS Bet  69000.00 207000.00 168355.98
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2011
    That minraise on the flop, is he just testing you for the bare minimum or does he have something massive and is trying to build the pot, hard to say without reads.

    The check on turn is ok as I presume you're in check call mode now, the bet he makes will commit you hence it's all or nothing at this point.

    Defo fold for me, AK/AQ/A10 all beat you, only really beat A9/A8 - would he play them that strong ?

    You've got 17 bb's if you fold and for me can easily find a much better spot to get them in.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011

    raise bigger pre or just shove agaainst this guy

    bet flop bigger, I prob just shove over the raise, calling is prob ok too

    as played shove

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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    Gran torino i think you have misread due to stupid HH, i have bet small blind on bb 23k is just over a min raise which is sufficient at this stage of the tournament although if others think not enough aswell fairplay

    2.3 BB raise so good bet sizing imo
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    I dont like 2.3X oop bvb v a probable fish. its prob not bad to make it that size, but I prefer bigger in this spot, especially if you are opening sb lots which you probably are 
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited June 2011
    Mostly just depends on his perception of you.  Your both sat pretty deep so he may be doing it wiith air Blind on blind, not believig you have a hand.  Has to open shove turn after flop action.  Could be a monster could be air.

    But if I'm calling flop I likely call off turn, hoping to see A9 or air.  I think he likely plays a worse A this way blind on blind.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: FT OPEN top pair Average kicker vs random:
    I dont like 2.3X oop bvb v a probable fish. its prob not bad to make it that size, but I prefer bigger in this spot, especially if you are opening sb lots which you probably are 
    Posted by grantorino
    what gives you that perception are you assuming?

    im pretty sure there wasn't many if any blind on blind hands with this villain, yes in theory i do raise alot blind on blind as you should but in this individual scenerio i haven't as i didnt get the chance to often enough.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    This hand i checked to show weakness & induce a bluff so i shoved, he folded
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    yeah just assumed you would try steal a lot if it got round unopened to you
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    lol thats what i dont get i've never played you :P
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited June 2011
    blind on blind this is massive.  like how you played flop ,check and get it in turn.
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  • BigBlusterBigBluster Member Posts: 1,075
    edited June 2011
    Think you played this spot on. The worries about AK or AQ above are off the mark - no way he's not re-raising you pre. If he has A3 or A4, hands which would be consistent with how he played it, then good luck to him. More like he's got 9T or something round there.

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