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playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks

jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
edited June 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
bigandy18 Small blind  £0.05 £0.05 £12.46
jgn Big blind  £0.10 £0.15 £18.00
  Your hole cards
  • J
  • 10
     
bigandy18 Raise  £0.25 £0.40 £12.21
jgn Raise  £0.80 £1.20 £17.20
bigandy18 Raise  £3.00 £4.20 £9.21
jgn Call  £2.40 £6.60 £14.80
Flop
   
  • 6
  • 3
  • 7
     
jgn Check     
bigandy18 Bet  £6.60 £13.20 £2.61
jgn All-in  £14.80 £28.00 £0.00
bigandy18 All-in  £2.61 £30.61 £0.00
jgn Unmatched bet  £5.59 £25.02 £5.59
bigandy18 Show
  • 9
  • 9
   
jgn Show
  • J
  • 10
   
Turn
   
  • A
     
River
   
  • 8
     
jgn Win Flush to the Ace £24.32  £29.91
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011

    Why care if he called you a donk?

    Above my stakes but fwiw, I probably fold to the 4 bet pre. And on the flop if you were going to have shoved to a raise, you should have done it first. 

    After oppos raise, you have to shove or fold due to oppos stack, but hes never going away so you are gambling with the shove. 

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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited June 2011

    I dont like your play preflop tbh

    You are calling a large 4 bet oop with only Jack High! I think this is a fold.

    On the flop, you must go all in with the potential outs that you have and the amount in the pot. But i think your lucky that your J and 10 are both live.

    Your not a donk, you just like a gamboool innit.

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  • corn_rat22corn_rat22 Member Posts: 144
    edited June 2011
    i dont think its a donks play atall? the call pre flop wasn't overllly large, i mean 30x the blind is pretty huge if you think about it, but as it was a raise and a re raise, you were fine to see a flop, i understand why with nice flop-able hands like J-10S. His enitial 4 bet with 9's was a bet edgey but ah well, we all play the game differently, keep it up and GL



    Corn
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  • jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
    edited June 2011

     the reason i called the 4 bet was the player was on SUPER TILT and j 10 suited can beat monster hands as we all no lol and the player did 3 bet alot and plus when i 3 bet he never folded hands like j 2 and 74 so i dont think the 4 bet was that strong.


    cheers for comments guys

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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited June 2011
    Given the info, i dont mind it. I dont think i call pre but as Gregghog says, if he has been doing it alot i might just go along with it. Flop play is ok IMO.

    This probably sent the poor guy over the edge, hence the donk accusation. lol.
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  • bigandy18bigandy18 Member Posts: 85
    edited June 2011
    got it all back from you in the tourney though :) cheers champ
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    lol at anyone thinking flatting an almost 4x 4bet oop with JTs is good 120BB deep. Pre is horrendous, once you flop this obv get it in.
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  • jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:
    got it all back from you in the tourney though :) cheers champ
    Posted by bigandy18
    well u fancy playing heads up again i would love 2 take more money off u and go on a higher level 50/1
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited June 2011
    don't like the call of the 4bet pre, you're just lucky you've caught any of the flop, he's only got around a pot size bet left and you'll have fold most flops.
    not sure if i like your 3 bet either, totally depends on your 3betting range and how often you've been doing it, but i prefer flatting his raise pre, 3betting only gives you a difficult decision if he 4bets. once you've called his 4bet its completely standard, getting it in with 2 overs and 4 to the flush is fine. 
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  • bigandy18bigandy18 Member Posts: 85
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:
    In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play? : well u fancy playing heads up again i would love 2 take more money off u and go on a higher level 50/1
    Posted by jgn
    Anytime, just out of interest you notice how many agree with me? just thought i'd point that out
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  • tapewormtapeworm Member Posts: 432
    edited June 2011

    Oh oh oh - can i rail pleeeeeeease. i like this ten paces at dawn malarky

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  • jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:
    don't like the call of the 4bet pre, you're just lucky you've caught any of the flop, he's only got around a pot size bet left and you'll have fold most flops. not sure if i like your 3 bet either, totally depends on your 3betting range and how often you've been doing it, but i prefer flatting his raise pre, 3betting only gives you a difficult decision if he 4bets. once you've called his 4bet its completely standard, getting it in with 2 overs and 4 to the flush is fine. 
    Posted by percival09
    i disgree with 3 bet part if u dont 3 bet with these hand heads up you will get owned calling the 4 bet is not a bad play yes its risky but we all no suited connectors can beat monster hands.
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  • jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:
    lol at anyone thinking flatting an almost 4x 4bet oop with JTs is good 120BB deep. Pre is horrendous, once you flop this obv get it in.
    Posted by grantorino
    i knew i was behind but i hoped to hit a flop like that. 

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  • jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:
    In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play? : Anytime, just out of interest you notice how many agree with me? just thought i'd point that out
    Posted by bigandy18
    so in your perspective what did i do wrong and u was calling 3 bets with j 2 so u cant say much 
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited June 2011
    LOL! I take it you're one of these that don't listen to advice. 
    Like i said, it depends on your 3-betting range and how often you've been doing it, I don't mind it, but I just prefer flatting with a hand like that.
    But there is no two ways about it, calling a 4-bet with those stacks is v.bad play, you're losing so much money in the long term 'hoping to hit a flop like that'. But w.e don't listen
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  • jgnjgn Member Posts: 96
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:
    LOL! I take it you're one of these that don't listen to advice.  Like i said, it depends on your 3-betting range and how often you've been doing it, I don't mind it, but I just prefer flatting with a hand like that. But there is no two ways about it, calling a 4-bet with those stacks is v.bad play, you're losing so much money in the long term 'hoping to hit a flop like that'. But w.e don't listen
    Posted by percival09
    i do listen i do agree i could of flatted but  tbh im miles of hes first bet most of the time i think people look at this and  play it like the book says and tbh i dont play the book.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    OP, please explain

    Why is this villain going to own you if you dont 3bet JTs?
    What do you think his 4bet range is?

    You have nowhere near the implied odds to flat the 4bet with JTs. You have hit one of the best flops for you and you are still often behind and have very little fold equity

    Personally I prob wouldnt 3bet oop with JTs against this kind of villain, I think we end up in all sorts of awkward spots. I would prefer call and play flop with more chips behind
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  • bigandy18bigandy18 Member Posts: 85
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: playing heads up and i got told by the other player i was donk because of this hand is this a donks play?:
    LOL! I take it you're one of these that don't listen to advice.  Like i said, it depends on your 3-betting range and how often you've been doing it, I don't mind it, but I just prefer flatting with a hand like that. But there is no two ways about it, calling a 4-bet with those stacks is v.bad play, you're losing so much money in the long term 'hoping to hit a flop like that'. But w.e don't listen
    Posted by percival09
    *round of applause*
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