WHAT CAN I DO 2 PLAY PROPER POKER!?

ClintonH83

is it me or does anyone eles feel players on this site are a joke! ive just gone out of a game with pocket Kings! the blings were 25/50 i raised to 900, 2 players called, the flop came J, 9, 6, i called 3500 all in one player folded the other called, he had 9 8 off suit, turn & river came 9, J

what am i suppose 2 do there?? i could of gone all in pre flop but what happens 2 me is someone with call with A anything and hit there A so didnt want that 2 happen

i did call all in Yesterday with AA and someone  called J2 suited and they hit a flush!!!

i just dont  know  what  2 do, i watch sky poker on sky and here the pro's saying they will lose more often than they will win and it just a bad beat but its happening all the time!

i just feel im never going 2 play a proper game of poker unless im playing the pro's

opinions and advice needed.....

rentisdue

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is it me or does anyone eles feel players on this site are a joke! ive just gone out of a game with pocket Kings! the blings were 25/50 i raised to 900, 2 players called, the flop came J, 9, 6, i called 3500 all in one player folded the other called, he had 9 8 off suit, turn & river came 9, J what am i suppose 2 do there?? i could of gone all in pre flop but what happens 2 me is someone with call with A anything and hit there A so didnt want that 2 happen i did call all in Yesterday with AA and someone  called J2 suited and they hit a flush!!! i just dont  know  what  2 do, i watch sky poker on sky and here the pro's saying they will lose more often than they will win and it just a bad beat but its happening all the time! i just feel im never going 2 play a proper game of poker unless im playing the pro's opinions and advice needed.....
Posted by MUFC-CLINT

The blinds were 25/50 ? and you raised pre to 900 ?   in answer to your question the first thing you do is stop raising 18 bbs pre and as far as the rest goes just be happy with the other guys play. in the long run you win more than he does.

waller02

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In Response to WHAT CAN I DO 2 PLAY PROPER POKER!? : The blinds were 25/50 ? and you raised pre to 900 ?   in answer to your question the first thing you do is stop raising 18 bbs pre and as far as the rest goes just be happy with the other guys play. in the long run you win more than he does.
Posted by rentisdue

+1 why are you raising 18bb pre?

ClintonH83

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In Response to Re: WHAT CAN I DO 2 PLAY PROPER POKER!? : +1 why are you raising 18bb pre?
Posted by waller02

Sorry the guy before me raised to 300 from 50, i re raised it to 900! that wasnt the guy tho who had 8 9 tho so after the flop the guy who had pre flop raised folded

AMYBR

If you can make it 18xBB and generate a call holding K's you should be laughing.

What these two say here is odd.  Yes dont over commit weak, but getting called there with K's is AOK.

leon621

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If you can make it 18xBB and generate a call holding K's you should be laughing. What these two say here is odd.  Yes dont over commit weak, but getting called there with K's is AOK.
Posted by AMYBR

+1 if your getting called by 98OS then this is fine IMO.
 
I do have my own theory about the amount of beats people get on this site. Lets face it players on this site will limp with garbage and then call a shove with that garbage and J5OS beats AK suited more often than you realise, For this reason i think people believe there is an issue with the RNG and not that this site harbours more fish than a harbour and so the apparent bad beats increase in volume in comparison to other poker games/sites.

To answer your question about how to play 'proper poker'. stay away from bounty hunters.

grantorino

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is it me or does anyone eles feel players on this site are a joke! ive just gone out of a game with pocket Kings! the blings were 25/50 i raised to 900, 2 players called, the flop came J, 9, 6, i called 3500 all in one player folded the other called, he had 9 8 off suit, turn & river came 9, J what am i suppose 2 do there?? i could of gone all in pre flop but what happens 2 me is someone with call with A anything and hit there A so didnt want that 2 happen i did call all in Yesterday with AA and someone  called J2 suited and they hit a flush!!! i just dont  know  what  2 do, i watch sky poker on sky and here the pro's saying they will lose more often than they will win and it just a bad beat but its happening all the time! i just feel im never going 2 play a proper game of poker unless im playing the pro's opinions and advice needed.....
Posted by MUFC-CLINT

obv move up levels so. If you really think playing pros is better than guys who coldcall 3bets for 20% of the effective stack with 98o and a player still to act, then call an overbet shove on flop with 2nd pair no kicker you should go for it. You might get to play more "proper" poker but you will get to win a lot less (or lose a lot more) money

Remember everytime these guys make these calls its like they are giving you money

richtea

Definitely stay away from bounty hunters. I played my first one in a long time the other night and this happened...

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
hhyftrftdr	Small blind		30.00	30.00	3791.25
rufino12	Big blind		60.00	90.00	2370.00
	Your hole cards	J Q
ALEX29	Call		60.00	150.00	5353.75
garymccoll	Fold
richtea	Raise		180.00	330.00	1020.00
alans	Fold
hhyftrftdr	Fold
rufino12	Call		120.00	450.00	2250.00
ALEX29	Fold
Flop
		Q 3 5
rufino12	Check
richtea	Bet		300.00	750.00	720.00
rufino12	Call		300.00	1050.00	1950.00
Turn
		6
rufino12	Check
richtea	All-in		720.00	1770.00	0.00
rufino12	Call		720.00	2490.00	1230.00
rufino12	Show	3 J
richtea	Show	J Q
River
		3
rufino12	Win	Three 3s	2490.00		3720.00

percival09

I don't understand the above comment, why not play them then? If there's so many fish surely you want to play more with them?

As to the original poster, go play on any site and you'll see no different. Obv some other sites have a general higher quality of players but you'll still get the same % of suckouts as on here, because it isn't rigged. 

richtea

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I don't understand the above comment, why not play them then? If there's so many fish surely you want to play more with them? As to the original poster, go play on any site and you'll see no different. Obv some other sites have a general higher quality of players but you'll still get the same % of suckouts as on here, because it isn't rigged. 
Posted by percival09

If you want to play bingo play bounty hunters, the standard of play is awful. I'm probably biased because i'm almost exclusively a cash player, where if a player pulls a move on you like this you can just reload and take it all back off him. In a tourny you're gone, and left with a very bitter taste in your mouth...

leon621

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I don't understand the above comment, why not play them then? If there's so many fish surely you want to play more with them? As to the original poster, go play on any site and you'll see no different. Obv some other sites have a general higher quality of players but you'll still get the same % of suckouts as on here, because it isn't rigged. 
Posted by percival09

my comment, dont play them if you want to play proper poker is about the original post. If you play bounty hunters then you need to expect players getting there money in behind sometimes. As you say this kind of tournament has alot of fish in them and the percentages are fair and will show the same results on all other sites, i agree with this. Now you say with there being so many fish playing this tournament then you want to play them, however if you get your money in 70% up say 3 times and lose one of them (which is expected) you may  now be out, short stacked or tilted. If you play a typical tournament then most of these hands dont get to showdown and the poker played can be considered more 'proper'

DOHHHHHHH

What is proper poker? Or what is your perception of proper poker?

Answer that then I'll tell you where to find it.

waller02

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If you can make it 18xBB and generate a call holding K's you should be laughing. What these two say here is odd.  Yes dont over commit weak, but getting called there with K's is AOK.
Posted by AMYBR

can you explain why my post is odd, I thought he had opened the pot with an 18x raise which will surely lead to less value in the long run as more often than not you wont get a customer.

i didnt realise his 900 raise was a 3 bet to a raise of 300, which is fine.

grantorino

It never ceases to amaze me that people dont want to play fish or get their money in as favourites

Playing these kind of players can be frustrating, but these type of players provide the bulk of your winnings. Poker is a game with huge varance. Its a skill game with huge luck involved in the short term, people need to realise this and just get on with it. Everytime a fish calls you with 25% equity or whatever he  basically gives  you money so be happy about it

It might be more interesting to play better players but its waaaay less profitable. Poker is about adjusting to the players you play. If you cant adjust to deal with bounty hunter fish good luck trying to play against good regs

richtea

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It might be more interesting to play better players but its waaaay less profitable. Poker is about adjusting to the players you play. If you cant adjust to deal with bounty hunter fish good luck trying to play against good regs
Posted by grantorino

I guess you're responding to my post. I agree with the first sentence, and the second. Don't understand the third with regards to the hand I posted, and I hold my own against good regs tyvm.

leon621

It never ceases to amaze me how many people on this site fail to read and understand a post

percival09

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It never ceases to amaze me how many people on this site fail to read and understand a post
Posted by leon621

lol why do you think people are talking about your post?

i don't know about grantorino but i was referring to richteas post which clearly suggested not playing the BH because of the fish!

leon621

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In Response to Re: WHAT CAN I DO 2 PLAY PROPER POKER!? : lol why do you think people are talking about your post? i don't know about grantorino but i was referring to richteas post which clearly suggested not playing the BH because of the fish!
Posted by percival09

sorry my 2nd comment was not aimed for you but my 1st one was, as i thought you were talking about my post as i mentioned fish and other sites on my comment, which you include as answering richtea's comment which did not mention other sites or fish

grantorino

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In Response to Re: WHAT CAN I DO 2 PLAY PROPER POKER!? : I guess you're responding to my post. I agree with the first sentence, and the second. Don't understand the third with regards to the hand I posted, and I hold my own against good regs tyvm.
Posted by richtea

Wasnt particularly responding to your post richtea. I'm just saying if someone cant work out how to play profitably against fish in a bounty hunter they will certainly have trouble playing good players. Playing against fish in mtts though you will encounter huge variance. I would also think even if a player beats the good regs in your games the majority of their profit will come from fish

grantorino

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In Response to Re: WHAT CAN I DO 2 PLAY PROPER POKER!? : my comment, dont play them if you want to play proper poker is about the original post. If you play bounty hunters then you need to expect players getting there money in behind sometimes. As you say this kind of tournament has alot of fish in them and the percentages are fair and will show the same results on all other sites, i agree with this. Now you say with there being so many fish playing this tournament then you want to play them, however if you get your money in 70% up say 3 times and lose one of them (which is expected) you may  now be out, short stacked or tilted. If you play a typical tournament then most of these hands dont get to showdown and the poker played can be considered more 'proper'
Posted by leon621

I assume you were referring to me not understanding this post.

With regard to the first sentence being able to play well against fish is a huge part of being a "proper" poker player as its where most of your profit will come from

If you get your money in 3 times as a 70% favourite you will expect to lose once true, but whats your point? If you are out that sucks, if you are shortstacked or tilted deal with it. You should want to get your money in as a 70% favourite. Variance will bite you more often the more you get it in, but its a long term game and you will win more the more often you get it in good, and you are going to have to run well to win any mtt.

If you are playing better players you mightnt get your stack in as often, but you wont get it in with as much equity either

I kinda get what you are saying in that people will get it in lighter in a BH and you are going to suffer more beats etc. If you want to avoid them fine, but so many of the reason you want to avoid them will be there in most tourneys anyway unless you are playing pretty big buy ins, and they should be pretty profitable if they play the way people seem to think

leon621

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In Response to Re: WHAT CAN I DO 2 PLAY PROPER POKER!? : I assume you were referring to me not understanding this post. With regard to the first sentence being able to play well against fish is a huge part of being a "proper" poker player as its where most of your profit will come from If you get your money in 3 times as a 70% favourite you will expect to lose once true, but whats your point? If you are out that sucks, if you are shortstacked or tilted deal with it. You should want to get your money in as a 70% favourite. Variance will bite you more often the more you get it in, but its a long term game and you will win more the more often you get it in good, and you are going to have to run well to win any mtt. If you are playing better players you mightnt get your stack in as often, but you wont get it in with as much equity either I kinda get what you are saying in that people will get it in lighter in a BH and you are going to suffer more beats etc. If you want to avoid them fine, but so many of the reason you want to avoid them will be there in most tourneys anyway unless you are playing pretty big buy ins, and they should be pretty profitable if they play the way people seem to think
Posted by grantorino

i love playing fish, it is where most of the profit is made, and i love playing bounty hunters. The point i was making is expect people to be very loose and fishy in this particular tournament. I will use the word luck here, if you win a MTT you have had to be abit lucky, but to win a bounty hunter you have to be even more lucky IMO. I was getting my point across that if this kind of thing frustrates you and you dont believe that poker should be played this way then dont play bounty hunters.