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is any 2 suited worth a call of 5 BB's?
sedgley58
Member Posts: 171
I ask because three times tonight i upped to 5 BB's with good hands and lost each one to a caller with 2 suited
My JJ, flop was 10,7,2, i pot raise he calls, 6 on turn, i pot raise, 3 on the river, he has 10-3 suited
My AK, flop 2,6,9, i half pot, he calls, jack on turn, i half pot, he calls, another jack i raise he calls with Q-2 suited
My AK, flop A(hearts),K and ??, i pot he all ins with K-5 suited and hits two hearts on the river and turn
If i had q-2, 10-3 or K-5 suited i would fold to a 5 BB, am I wrong or did i just hit three lucky fish who managed to knobble my BR. Only the 3rd hand flushed, other 2 were no where near, yet still bet out on 2's and 10's with a 3 kicker.
My JJ, flop was 10,7,2, i pot raise he calls, 6 on turn, i pot raise, 3 on the river, he has 10-3 suited
My AK, flop 2,6,9, i half pot, he calls, jack on turn, i half pot, he calls, another jack i raise he calls with Q-2 suited
My AK, flop A(hearts),K and ??, i pot he all ins with K-5 suited and hits two hearts on the river and turn
If i had q-2, 10-3 or K-5 suited i would fold to a 5 BB, am I wrong or did i just hit three lucky fish who managed to knobble my BR. Only the 3rd hand flushed, other 2 were no where near, yet still bet out on 2's and 10's with a 3 kicker.
Comments
Totally depends on a players skillset/stack and position. Deep stack cash isnt about massive starting hands colliding. Even a solid rock playing pure premium cards, will still open up depending on stack and position.
Deepstack NLHE is a flop game, you SHOULD BE getting 100's of BB's in pre with maybe two hands. Yet you can get 100's of BB's in on flop or river with connected draw heavy hands.
Players detrimentaley accuse people of being a "fish" in a cash game, not really understanding that this is a purely valid way to approach the game.
I just came in from a 5hour cash session. My least profitable hand on the night was AA aipf being cracked in two spots. My most profitable being the 2d4d from the button in a multi way pot flopping the nut wheel, no later street weakening my hand. Nothing wrong with calling drawy to connect with the right board.
Your example also proves nothing.AA is often cracked and any two cards can make the nuts. I can see why playing 2d4d ip in the deep cash games you play would be fine though
I'm not trying to prove anything with the A's reference. What I really meant to say is I'd be happier putting 100's of bigs in post than pre (with the right board), even with A's or K's.
He's asking is is profitable to call 5bbs with any 2 suited. I'm providing an argument for yes in deepstack cash for the right board. Obviously not the river suckouts seen in OP. Was answering the broader question.
I dont really want to have a big debate about this, the answer to op's question is probably in general you shouldnt call with hands just because they are sooted unless they have other value. Its poker so very little is absolute, there are probably exceptions to this
I'm talking about hands with intrinic value pre sat deep, not raggedy 103s because they are suited.
The question in the OP wasnt a real question, it was a moan. So I expanded upon the real question behind it. Am advocating calling to draw with a drawable hand, not being 103s or such.
I'm never calling with such a nonsense hand, I'm highlighting peoples perception that fishing, in deep stack cash, is a bad thing.
woooooooooooo hoooooooooooo any 2 suited is the new nuts
or perhaps its not