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should i call?

pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
edited June 2011 in The Poker Clinic
only been on table about 10 mins, player has been very active. is this a case of a busted draw and should call and if he has hit his flush in the flop so be it. or is it not profitable in tsnakemeSmall blind £0.25£0.25£32.79CARPIBig blind £0.50£0.75£30.24 Your hole cardsQK   kingkarl25Fold    pod1Raise £1.50£2.25£43.28thewild1Fold    bi6web666Call £1.50£3.75£50.99snakemeFold    CARPIFold    Flop  95K   pod1Check    bi6web666Bet £1.50£5.25£49.49pod1Call £1.50£6.75£41.78Turn  4   pod1Check    bi6web666Bet £1.50£8.25£47.99pod1Call £1.50£9.75£40.28River  2   pod1Check    bi6web666Bet £16.50£26.25£31.49he long run to call this?
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    I fold bud, looks like the nuts/flush here imo

    Unless you haVe a solid read you cant really call after the small bets flop & turn, do you think he would value bet flush? as opposed to shove. do you think he will shove Ad here as missed??

    seems to be a trend of late small same size bets and then shoved on river not often a bluff imo
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    b/f flop

    as played I reload then call
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  • KeevilKeevil Member Posts: 108
    edited June 2011
    In Response to should i call?:
    only been on table about 10 mins, player has been very active. is this a case of a busted draw and should call and if he has hit his flush in the flop so be it. or is it not profitable in t snakeme Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £32.79 CARPI Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £30.24   Your hole cards Q K       kingkarl25 Fold         pod1 Raise   £1.50 £2.25 £43.28 thewild1 Fold         bi6web666 Call   £1.50 £3.75 £50.99 snakeme Fold         CARPI Fold         Flop     9 5 K       pod1 Check         bi6web666 Bet   £1.50 £5.25 £49.49 pod1 Call   £1.50 £6.75 £41.78 Turn     4       pod1 Check         bi6web666 Bet   £1.50 £8.25 £47.99 pod1 Call   £1.50 £9.75 £40.28 River     2       pod1 Check         bi6web666 Bet   £16.50 £26.25 £31.49 he long run to call this?
    Posted by pod1
    Heya Pod...

    U got to think y is he making such a large bet on the river? 

    Is it to try and get you off the hand... I dont think so because as far as he knows you could b slow playing the flush so i cant see him doing this with anything else but the nuts... Possibly a set but i would say he has the flush... You have top pair with a Q kicker is it worth a crying call?

    You havnt invested alot into the pot and for this reason its a fold for me! :)
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2011
    Think for ages to find a hand that you can beat so you can justify a call.

    ^^^^ Spend half my poker life doing that, often I can't even think of one but call anyway to see if I'd missed 1 out.

    Ad x looks good here.

    Call ! :)
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    your villain has bet 16.50 into £9.75 pot alarm bells gotta be ringing

    you have invested £4.50 , why call of £16.50 as a general rule always going to be - ev calling

    essentially 99% of time your going to be wrong but its completely villain dependant im sure everyones called here vs complete noob but you have to be right results orientated ftw
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited June 2011
    all that was going through my mind was if he hit a 120:1 (sure someone told me it was about that to flop a flush) then so be it! taking that out the equation i think im ahead post flop. i know i didnt bet flop but on that board i wanted to get to river as cheap as possible without another diamond comming. so once the river (and no diamond) came, i am still either ahead or miles behind leaving me with the same question has he hit his 120:1 shot or not. dont know if my thinking was right here or not ( i am sure someone will tell me if it aint!)
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  • KeevilKeevil Member Posts: 108
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: should i call?:
    all that was going through my mind was if he hit a 120:1 (sure someone told me it was about that to flop a flush) then so be it! taking that out the equation i think im ahead post flop. i know i didnt bet flop but on that board i wanted to get to river as cheap as possible without another diamond comming. so once the river (and no diamond) came, i am still either ahead or miles behind leaving me with the same question has he hit his 120:1 shot or not. dont know if my thinking was right here or not ( i am sure someone will tell me if it aint!)
    Posted by pod1

    Im sure its about 50/1 to flop the flush lol?

    I just dont see the point in calling that much when u have invested so little?

    Like YG said depends on the villian and down to your gut feeling!

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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited June 2011
    are you sure only 50/1!! ruddy ell, thats a bit different!! that might change things in the future :-0
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited June 2011
    I would rule out a flush straight away from his bet sizing. He would bet bigger on the turn with a flush, or that's what I would assume readless.

    Definitely rule out a set.

    I think calling is good here, he's got the A diamonds and missed.

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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    He either has Ace of diamonds or flopped flush here thats obvious but if he has owned you with Ad WP him i think its a bad call

    the new trend seems to be bet small and same sized bets each and jam river with nuts hence why i am folding here.
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  • KeevilKeevil Member Posts: 108
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: should i call?:
    are you sure only 50/1!! ruddy ell, thats a bit different!! that might change things in the future :-0
    Posted by pod1

    When i was watching the show the other night i could of swore carlo said its about 50/1 to flop the flush.... I may be wrong and had a swig to many.... ;)

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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    According to my very quick and  probably wrong calcs with suited hole cards you are~0.84% to flop a flush.

    What the **** has how much we have invested in pot got to do with anything?

    I'm not playing enough to be sure if this is call or fold but it looks a lot like missed draw to me 
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: should i call?:
    According to my very quick and  probably wrong calcs with suited hole cards you are~0.84% to flop a flush. What the **** has how much we have invested in pot got to do with anything? I'm not playing enough to be sure if this is call or fold but it looks a lot like missed draw to me 
    Posted by grantorino
    OFC it has to do with it lol

    everthing makes a difference and the fact that he has invested £4.50 in the pot theres no need to get attached and call for £16 more
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: should i call?:
    In Response to Re: should i call? : OFC it has to do with it lol everthing makes a difference and the fact that he has invested £4.50 in the pot theres no need to get attached and call for £16 more
    Posted by YOUNG_GUN
    I dont think it makes any difference how much money we have already put in pot. If its so lol explain it to me.

    We dont own the money in the pot all that matters now is whether its profitable to call villains river bet. If it is it doesnt matter how much we have put in
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited June 2011
    i hate it when your right jj!!snakemeSmall blind £0.25£0.25£32.79CARPIBig blind £0.50£0.75£30.24 Your hole cardsQK   kingkarl25Fold    pod1Raise £1.50£2.25£43.28thewild1Fold    bi6web666Call £1.50£3.75£50.99snakemeFold    CARPIFold    Flop  95K   pod1Check    bi6web666Bet £1.50£5.25£49.49pod1Call £1.50£6.75£41.78Turn  4   pod1Check    bi6web666Bet £1.50£8.25£47.99pod1Call £1.50£9.75£40.28River  2   pod1Check    bi6web666Bet £16.50£26.25£31.49pod1Call £16.50£42.75£23.78bi6web666Show10A   pod1ShowQK   pod1WinPair of Kings£40.95 £64.73PrevClose windowNext
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  • HYPETINGHYPETING Member Posts: 253
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: should i call?:
    I would rule out a flush straight away from his bet sizing. He would bet bigger on the turn with a flush, or that's what I would assume readless. Definitely rule out a set. I think calling is good here, he's got the A diamonds and missed.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    +1. Agreed.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2011
    Why didn't you bet out on the flop ?
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited June 2011
    to be fair dude i was caught in 2 minds weather to play it aggro and lead out strong , but another diamond woulda cost me what else iput in the pot or float it and see what the turn and river brings. not sure if this was right as i left myself open to a big river bet. ok it paid off this time but it was risky.
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