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can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke

danny101danny101 Member Posts: 62
edited June 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Rich69 Small blind  £0.02 £0.02 £2.30
shire40 Big blind  £0.04 £0.06 £1.52
 Your hole cards
  • 10
  • 10
   
scrogie Call  £0.04 £0.10 £9.21
danny101 Raise  £0.12 £0.22 £3.30
DOC_56 Call  £0.12 £0.34 £4.27
shirley02 Fold     
Rich69 Fold     
shire40 Raise  £0.48 £0.82 £1.04
scrogie Fold     
danny101 Call  £0.40 £1.22 £2.90
DOC_56 Call  £0.40 £1.62 £3.87
Flop
  
  • 3
  • 5
  • 5
   
shire40 All-in  £1.04 £2.66 £0.00
danny101 Call  £1.04 £3.70 £1.86
DOC_56 Call  £1.04 £4.74 £2.83
Turn
  
  • 4
   
danny101 Check     
DOC_56 Check     
River
  
  • 10
   
danny101 All-in  £1.86 £6.60 £0.00
DOC_56 Fold     
danny101 Unmatched bet  £1.86 £4.74 £1.86
shire40 Show
  • J
  • J
   
danny101 Show
  • 10
  • 10
   
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2011
    Raise to 24p pre.

    When shire reraises you shove all in.

    Also you didn't go broke.....lolz
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  • danny101danny101 Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2011
    i only never lost because i got lucky on the river but the flop was so good for pocket 10s
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke:
    i only never lost because i got lucky on the river but the flop was so good for pocket 10s
    Posted by danny101
    where u ever going broke v the jacks?
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  • danny101danny101 Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2011
    not broke but you know what i mean do i have to do my stack there
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  • danny101danny101 Member Posts: 62
    edited June 2011
    i got abused by another player who werent in the hand for calling pre then calling his shove on the flop
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  • jakallyjakally Member Posts: 421
    edited June 2011

    You aren't deep enough to  play 10's postflop, so either shove or fold preflop.

    If he only 3 bets AA-JJ and AK then it's a fold (he calls this range always to a shove and we need about 43% equity versus his range which we aren't getting).

    If you can add 99 and AQ to his range for doing this then it's about break even.
    If he's any wider than this (i.e. he gets funky with a lot of different hands preflop) then it's a snap jam.

    Unless it's against a real niit I get 10's in all day in this spot.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    its fine against a shorty I prob just get it in pre
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  • corn_rat22corn_rat22 Member Posts: 144
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke:
    Raise to 24p pre. When shire reraises you shove all in. Also you didn't go broke.....lolz
    Posted by Dudeskin8

    Why would he make it 6x pre?
    if the other Villain didnt have JJ he would get no action and just take it down pre then your just losing all value for a big hand?
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited June 2011
    That is not an especially good flop for 10's at that level in a 3bet pot called 4ways IMO.

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke:
    In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke : Why would he make it 6x pre? if the other Villain didnt have JJ he would get no action and just take it down pre then your just losing all value for a big hand?
    Posted by corn_rat22
    This is 4NL and from what I've experianced playing by the normal rules of making it 3x + 1 bb for every limper danny work down here.

    My standard open is 5x + 1 bb and seems to work quite well.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011

    dudeskin, what do you mean by your raise size works?

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  • leon621leon621 Member Posts: 266
    edited June 2011
    i dont think your pre flop play is too bad but i think your post flop play is very poor. Surely the only reason you would not raise the shove is because you believe your behind and just hoping you hit.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited June 2011
    In Response to Re: can i get off this hand on the flop or pre or do i have to go broke:
    dudeskin, what do you mean by your raise size works?
    Posted by grantorino
    It seems to be the limit to what many players are prepared with calling preflop, a little more and they fold too often, a little less and they call too much. Just about getting a good balance really.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited June 2011
    why dont you want them to call too much?
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