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QQ in MTT, facing cold 4 bet shove from BB, and snap call by UTG opener.

DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Utg aint that good according to my notes, but he's not gonna be m/r calling off v wide from utg. My notes are all from deeper stacked situations, limp/calling with bad hands, calling when he shouldnt post flop, refusing to fold with money invested etc etc etc.

No notes on how he plays a shorter stack deeper in a tourny.

No reads on BB.

I don't really believe in timing tells n all that, but the guy on the bb used about half his time bar, then the call from utg was instant.

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PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceDOHHHHHHH Small blind  125.00 125.00 7040.00 LEOBARL Big blind  250.00 375.00 5287.50   Your hole cards Q Q       chris1953 Raise  500.00 875.00 3965.00 rusty762 Fold     doyleb35 Fold     EDGODSON Fold     DOHHHHHHH Raise  1500.00 2375.00 5540.00 LEOBARL All-in  5287.50 7662.50 0.00 chris1953 All-in  3965.00 11627.50 0.00 DOHHHHHHH
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited July 2011
    I think i call unless both villains are ooober nitty.

    we have committed 1.5k to the pot, and although we can fold and still have around 20bbs, i think we gotta go all in with the 3rd nuts. Would be vul to run into aa or kk.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited July 2011
    I call, you could always suckout ................... 
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  • AyrGraemeAyrGraeme Member Posts: 271
    edited July 2011
    I'm a nit and I think I call

    the only time I played live I had a similar situation to this at the final table - similar stack sizes.  Slightly different betting though - I opened UTG with Q/Q got shoved from button and overshoved from the bb - I called and found myself v A/J and A/K and it held up.

    If it's deeper and UTG open 3 or 4 and you rr to 9 or 10 and it goes shove call I think I fold but v the min raise you could be rr with A/10 K/Q and the bb could the be jamming any pair. 

    I think a good % of the time you are against A/K and something like 9s 10s Js here
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  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited July 2011
    im nitty and i would fold this in mtt, cash i would call and then reload!!
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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited July 2011
    Min raise utg then insta calling a 4bet jam, a classic sign of AA. I know you've invested a lot but you still have 22bb's which is plenty. I'd fold then sigh a lot when they both turn over AK.LOL.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: QQ in MTT, facing cold 4 bet shove from BB, and snap call by UTG opener.:
    Min raise utg then insta calling a 4bet jam, a classic sign of AA. I know you've invested a lot but you still have 22bb's which is plenty. I'd fold then sigh a lot when they both turn over AK.LOL.
    Posted by Mohican
    lol Pingggggggg again!

    Board runs out...

    J J 4 4 ..... K !!!

    Wrong fold, right time :)
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    You have the odds to call if they both show up with only AK,QQ+. You are getting ~ 3/1 and you have 31% equity v that range
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    UTG range is definitely wider imo, I think you gotta call here
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  • MohicanMohican Member Posts: 1,435
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: QQ in MTT, facing cold 4 bet shove from BB, and snap call by UTG opener.:
    In Response to Re: QQ in MTT, facing cold 4 bet shove from BB, and snap call by UTG opener. : lol Pingggggggg again! Board runs out... J J 4 4 ..... K !!! Wrong fold, right time :)
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    Siiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    vul dohh m8y i am unsure what i woulda done here,in fact prob call 1 day then fold on another ;) xx
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  • BigBlusterBigBluster Member Posts: 1,075
    edited July 2011
    Not enough information in the original post to make a response really. How many players are left? What's the payout structure? Is this a fast or slow tournament? Are we near one of the tournament bubbles?
    All of these are at least as important as the cards, in my opinion.
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