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Raise or Call?

Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
I have the overpair but hate this flop should I be willing to get it in here?
X Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £3.18
tosca21 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £3.30
  Your hole cards
  • K
  • K
     
mahoney02 Call   £0.04 £0.10 £1.52
Dudeskin8 Raise   £0.20 £0.30 £4.09
batsman111 Fold        
X Call   £0.18 £0.48 £3.00
tosca21 Fold        
mahoney02 Call   £0.16 £0.64 £1.36
Flop
   
  • J
  • 10
  • Q
     
X Bet   £0.28 £0.92 £2.72
mahoney02 Fold        
Dudeskin8

Comments

  • corn_rat22corn_rat22 Member Posts: 144
    edited July 2011
    Ugh his flop bet is so small, i'm prepared to raise and see how strong he is, people are obsessed with playing J-10 so i put him around that, but lots of re draws if he does,
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited July 2011
    I just put him in.
  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited July 2011
    im with amybr here, if we reraise to a £1 and he goes over the top are you folding? if he flats, its going in on the next street. put it all in, you still got 10 outs to massivly improve as well. ( could someone tell me if my thinking is wrong here please)
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited July 2011
    Not to my mind pod.

    We shouldnt really be assuming we are behind here.  Quite likely opponent has a a pair and draw, or lone pair lone draw.  You call pot stands at £1,2 opponent having £2.7 back.  If he as a two pair hand you have 8 clean outs, its very unlikely he has AK, likely just a spew call from SB connecting part of the board.

    No point flatting as if has a decent part of it he'll make a pot commiting bet at turn, getting it in there on a bingo turn.  If he is semi bluffing a straight, he'll likely call off he misses you win, or you likely chop it when hit.  But if you flat and brick hits turn, no more action.  Even if he has a set, implied odds are worth getting it in there.

    Dont see the need to mess him around, dont think he's lead folding, your hand has plenty of equity against all but the slimmest of ranges he may hold.

  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2011

    Could just raise and get it in. I don't like shoving, no need to do that. Make it a quid and call it off/or shove turn.

    I think I would just call though.
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    shove
  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    You can easily call here,especially at this level ;)

    And see what comes next

    Cmon dude you know this makes sense xxx
  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    Well I ended up just flatting and then flatting some more, it worked here but not sure if long term.
    X Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £3.18
    tosca21 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £3.30
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
         
    mahoney02 Call   £0.04 £0.10 £1.52
    Dudeskin8 Raise   £0.20 £0.30 £4.09
    batsman111 Fold        
    X Call   £0.18 £0.48 £3.00
    tosca21 Fold        
    mahoney02 Call   £0.16 £0.64 £1.36
    Flop
       
    • J
    • 10
    • Q
         
    X Bet   £0.28 £0.92 £2.72
    mahoney02 Fold        
    Dudeskin8 Call   £0.28 £1.20 £3.81
    Turn
       
    • 7
         
    X Bet   £0.24 £1.44 £2.48
    Dudeskin8 Call   £0.24 £1.68 £3.57
    River
       
    • 7
         
    X Bet   £0.28 £1.96 £2.20
    Dudeskin8 Call   £0.28 £2.24 £3.29
    X Show
    • 4
    • 4
         
    Dudeskin8 Show
    • K
    • K
         
    Dudeskin8 Win Two Pairs, Kings and 7s £2.07   £5.36
  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited July 2011
    I am happy to call the flop but i think i pop it up on the turn purely because his bet sizing looks so weak. Looks like you got max value from this hand, dont think he would have called any re-raise on the streets.
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