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Very 1st hand in MTT with KK. Advice please.

DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
As title says, the very first hand of a small stakes MTT. Obviously no reads, whats your view on the hand please. What hand can he possibly have?

Hand History #389824859 (16:22 08/07/2011)

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalancesuesandy Small blind  10.00 10.00 1990.00 FLASHJONNY Big blind  20.00 30.00 1980.00   Your hole cards K K       timdog1540 Fold     hutchie326 Fold     xCall  20.00 50.00 1980.00 DrSharp Raise  100.00 150.00 1900.00 suesandy Fold     FLASHJONNY Fold     xCall  80.00 230.00 1900.00 Flop    6 5 8       xCheck     DrSharp Bet  230.00 460.00 1670.00 xCall  230.00 690.00 1670.00 Turn    8       xBet  690.00 1380.00 980.00 DrSharp


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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited July 2011

    My view was that he was repping the 8's but i cant see him calling with an 8 this early. He'd re pop it pre with AA or AK etc so it has to be air right? Cant have the straight can he? Flush draw? He'd shove rather with that probably? What do you guys think.

    Pre should have been bigger but i suppose i was trapping hoping for a caller.

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  • walesboywalesboy Member Posts: 993
    edited July 2011
    always difficult to open with such a strong hand so early on in an MTT.
    I think pre raise is fine as is flop.
    turn - pot bet - A8/89?
    some people seem to like an A early on and will see a flop with it. Hits top pair with kicker so calls flop?
    turn - gets excited and bets out?
    or he has an over pair also and with seeing the second 8 he bets out hoping to close it down?
    he's pot committed now so will probably call a shove or bet the river

    difficult one.
    I'd probably sigh big time and fold. it's only an over pair. its early days and you haven't lost that many chips.
    on another day though, I'd shove!
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    I'd shove  and play another tourney
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    Pre seems ok to me maybe 120 but still gonna get call.

    Flop great.

    Turn I'd fold, yes he could be bluffing but good donkeys always go crazy when they hit so I reckon he has the dreaded 8 here.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    Yes as the pre flop raise was not alot bigger he could call with anything so the 8 is defo a poss xx
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited July 2011
    pre is fine imo.

    looks like an 8 tbh. as dudeskin says rightly people teand to go crazy here. Although im wiuth Grantorino aswell. shove and play another tourny/
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Very 1st hand in MTT with KK. Advice please.:
    pre is fine imo. looks like an 8 tbh. as dudeskin says rightly people teand to go crazy here. Although im wiuth Grantorino aswell. shove and play another tourny/
    Posted by The_Don90
    Yes i aint sayin pre was bad BUT just sayin a raise to 100 prob dont fold out a hand like A 8 at this stage of a lowish buy in tourny xx
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    We do want him to call with A8 as many times he will not hit trips on turn and then we win moniez. Of course he might not have an 8 and just be bluffing knowing you have an overpair but I doubt it.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited July 2011
    Defo want the A 8 to call as many times as poss BUT as we have said it still looks to me like hes hit big on the turn here IF not then wp to the aggressor ;)
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  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited July 2011
    readless, in a small buyin mtt, i am defo stacking off here. Just shove it, he dont have to have an "8" at all imo.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    Stick it in - he only calling with worse
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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Very 1st hand in MTT with KK. Advice please.:
    readless, in a small buyin mtt, i am defo stacking off here. Just shove it, he dont have to have an "8" at all imo.
    Posted by GREGHOGG
    before i voice my reply im stating im also shoving in.

    I think an 8 is well in his range.
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited July 2011
    Right, results time. It was really a 50/50 call but i just couldnt see many people calling pre flop with a raggy 8. Very unlucky for her to have 8,8. QQ+ re-raises pre flop most times. Set was a worry but hey ho. Cant see the straight, happy for him to have two clubs. I shoved thinking i was probably still good and also thinking 'sod it, i'll just open another one if i have lost'. Anyway..........................
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    suesandy Small blind  10.00 10.00 1990.00
    FLASHJONNY Big blind  20.00 30.00 1980.00
      Your hole cards
    • K
    • K
    		     
    timdog1540 Fold     
    hutchie326 Fold     
    xCall  20.00 50.00 1980.00
    DrSharp Raise  100.00 150.00 1900.00
    suesandy Fold     
    FLASHJONNY Fold     
    xCall  80.00 230.00 1900.00
    Flop
       
    • 6
    • 5
    • 8
    		     
    xCheck     
    DrSharp Bet  230.00 460.00 1670.00
    xCall  230.00 690.00 1670.00
    Turn
       
    • 8
    		     
    xBet  690.00 1380.00 980.00
    DrSharp All-in  1670.00 3050.00 0.00
    xAll-in  980.00 4030.00 0.00
    xShow
    • 5
    • 10
    		   
    DrSharp Show
    • K
    • K
    		   
    River
       
    • 6
    		     
    DrSharp Win Two Pairs, Kings and 8s 4030.00
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  • corn_rat22corn_rat22 Member Posts: 144
    edited July 2011
    I would of definetly put them in, why would he lead out if he turned trips? he would try to trap you, i think you played it perfectly, never a need to 6x KK pre whoever said that, WP NH
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Very 1st hand in MTT with KK. Advice please.:
    I would of definetly put them in, why would he lead out if he turned trips? he would try to trap you, i think you played it perfectly, never a need to 6x KK pre whoever said that, WP NH
    Posted by corn_rat22
    That was my thinking on it. The pre flop raise means i would be extremely unlucky for her to hit the straight somehow. My worry was a set that made a full house but you cant be scared of every hand that beats you. I was just a little unsure with it being the first hand in a tourney, people are usually fairly quiet unless they are strong.
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  • corn_rat22corn_rat22 Member Posts: 144
    edited July 2011
    Depends if it was a bounty hunter... people kick off early if so, i was recently called all in with K10 on a AQ56 board. they just love the bounties!!!









    p.s yes he did river the jack :(
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited July 2011
    not a BH. standard MTT.
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  • HITMAN_RVHITMAN_RV Member Posts: 8,688
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Very 1st hand in MTT with KK. Advice please.:
    I'd shove  and play another tourney
    Posted by grantorino
    +!1 Defo!!

    But tbh, I'd rather have shoved over his 230 flop bet, lots of scare cards poss. on that turn!! 

    I know he folds & u win smaller pot, but hey, few less grey hairs mate!!!

    Now if thats is a £110 dym i defo fold if i get to see that turn card, so EVEN more reason for the check shove post flop!!!!
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Very 1st hand in MTT with KK. Advice please.:
    Stick it in - he only calling with worse
    Posted by rancid

    wohooooo great result :)
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