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Top set at turn, played deceptive through streets, any argument at all to raise river?

AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
£1/2 cash live.  3 way action (end of session.  Playing against two solid intelligent players.  Button folds, SB makes it £8, I find AA in BB.  Of the three am the tightest, so flat, mainly as SB bets super light very often here, definately folding to raise out of BB.

£15 in pot K72.  SB checks.  SB sniffs weakness he will bet out, but will fold to a bet from me, so I check behind.
£15 in pot K72  A (bringing two spades to board).  SB checks.  Essentialy have nuts, only hope at value is to hope opponent leads river so check back, not my usual line though.

£15 in pot K72  A  9, river bringing 3 spades to board.

SB leads pot.

Having decided to play this hand deceptive and keeping it small, feeling bluff catch is only avenue to value how do we feel about raising river after letting two freecards come off?

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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2011
    I don't like giving 2 free cards, if he w as drawing to the spades (and now has you beat) you should make him pay to hit them spades.

    You've played the hand weak throughout so betting out on the river would get you alot of calls from weaker hands.

    I'd be weary that he raised 4X pre and hasn't had a single stab at it on the flop or turn, AND he should be wondering why you called 4X pre and have checked it down.
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited July 2011
    This is all true and well said.

    Only argument being that we are sat 3 handed so he is likely raising fairly wide, but good point in regard to checking two streets.

    I often freeze on this kind of turn, its a known fault, again your correct i should definately bet half pot at turn hoping he has a solid spade.

    Opponent auto mucks if I bet mostly, my image is strong in this game, so in hand only way I perceived value was opponent stabbing.  But your right I should have bet turn.

    But going back to the point, any argument for raising river after hand has played this way?
  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Top set at turn, played deceptive through streets, any argument at all to raise river?:
    This is all true and well said. Only argument being that we are sat 3 handed so he is likely raising fairly wide, but good point in regard to checking two streets. I often freeze on this kind of turn, its a known fault, again your correct i should definately bet half pot at turn hoping he has a solid spade. Opponent auto mucks if I bet mostly, my image is strong in this game, so in hand only way I perceived value was opponent stabbing.  But your right I should have bet turn. But going back to the point, any argument for raising river after hand has played this way?
    Posted by AMYBR
    Despite everything I said above about not liking how the hand played out, I still think you want to stick a value bet in on the end. I take it that because you said you are the tightest of the 3, is it going to be completely unbelievable that if you stick £10-11 in there, you'd be trying to pick up the pot on a bluff?
  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited July 2011
    pretty much here i think, but I may be wrong.  He will cry call two pair, folding all 1 prs but 3bet the spades, myself obv having to call.

    But your likely right as I felt like I'd missed a bet here.

    Fringe issue was that I was taking alot of money off both of them and was afraid If I raised river, he may call and be so peed off he'd leave and would be end of game. 

    But I dont really want to get raised on river and I dnt think I get called with 1 pr hands given image.....I think
  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    I think I prob 3bet pre anyway, understand why you flatted though. What are stacksizes?

    I definitely bet turn

    River sucks as I dont think he can have 2 pair or a set much so call is prob good
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