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correct fold? too nitty? played hand wrong pre?Hand History #390879823 (15:00 11/07/2011)
debdobs_67
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Wanna know what you guys think here , both oppos are regs here and decent players , is there any logic gettin it all in pre here? i wasnt sure as i was still pretty well stacked
Hand History #390879823 (15:00 11/07/2011)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceblondynka7Small blind £0.04£0.04£18.30xBilkoxBig blind £0.08£0.12£27.46 Your hole cardsKK andsoitis7Call £0.08£0.20£3.00debdobs_67Raise £0.32£0.52£17.64syclopse06Fold WALLY212Fold blondynka7Call £0.28£0.80£18.02xBilkoxRaise £1.28£2.08£26.18andsoitis7Fold debdobs_67Call £1.04£3.12£16.60blondynka7Call £1.04£4.16£16.98Flop 10JJ blondynka7Bet £4.16£8.32£12.82xBilkoxFold debdobs_67Fold blondynka7Muck blondynka7Win £3.84 £16.66blondynka7Return £4.16£0.32£20.82
Hand History #390879823 (15:00 11/07/2011)PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceblondynka7Small blind £0.04£0.04£18.30xBilkoxBig blind £0.08£0.12£27.46 Your hole cardsKK andsoitis7Call £0.08£0.20£3.00debdobs_67Raise £0.32£0.52£17.64syclopse06Fold WALLY212Fold blondynka7Call £0.28£0.80£18.02xBilkoxRaise £1.28£2.08£26.18andsoitis7Fold debdobs_67Call £1.04£3.12£16.60blondynka7Call £1.04£4.16£16.98Flop 10JJ blondynka7Bet £4.16£8.32£12.82xBilkoxFold debdobs_67Fold blondynka7Muck blondynka7Win £3.84 £16.66blondynka7Return £4.16£0.32£20.82
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i would have re-raised pre, just to get rid of one of them. however bilkos fold seems strange he was the raiser pre.and that blondynkas flat was ringing alarms.
but to fold to a pot sized bet imo was very weak play,what could he/she have?? more than likely AK
or A 10 ?? i would at least seen the turn, and if they have the J good luck to them. or what would have they done with a re-raise, if they then go all-in your at least racing with outs
as played i probably still get in due to again playing them
how many people bet pot when they have a J or 10 10 here? its possible but more likely AK or QQ - i'm assuming he would re-raise pre with AA, not just call - would be a bit weird to slowplay pre then lead out
so, jam it or try some degree of pot control but i favour shoving unless you have reads to say this guy bets his big hands hard
Flop spot sucks, its pretty read dependent, but I expect him to have some sort of hand when he does this, either Jx or a draw I would think are most likely. Im not sure flattingpre then folding to a bet sounds bad, but I hate that board. I think prob get it in
Also against decent regs, Im not sure 4betting pre is best without history this deep
pre only hand you're behind is AA which can happen but if you're playing scared with KK pre, play a lower level
i think long term you'll make more than you lose raising pre
remember its pretty hard to improve this hand on the flop so may as well be betting pre to get money off AK, AQ and mid-high pairs who could find a fold on an unfavourable flop
I doubt much 3bet/4bet bluffing goes on at 8NL, so if we 4bet we look superstrong. Hands like JJ,QQ may find a fold this deep. Im not afraid of AA but I dont want to play my hand in a way that nothing worse calls. 4betting is probably good here, but it depends on the players and dynamic, and against decent regs I certainly doubt AQ and mid pairs continue to a 4bet.
it also depends if you 3 and 4 bet frequently - then people will call or re-raise with less but if u almost never 3/4 bet then you're not likely to get called by the hands you want calling and are better off to call
Dont think many good players stack with JJ or AK 200bb deep without some history though (not sure how good a decent 8nl reg is though)
I dont think I'm folding here. Opener pretty much has to jam a wide range, given stack and pot. IMO he's as likely doing this with 9's/Q's/A10. I dont think he's opening pot when making trips there, I could be wrong though.
Only concern would be player behind.
But simply due to the fact opponent pretty much has to open alot of missed hands here, I likely call, I dont like it mind, but I think I have to. Guy can have a J here, based on calling a raise then re raise, his hand is likely a tad spewy. But to someone not thinking to well this is a good flop for a PP, you beating all but AA which its very unlikely he plays this way, plus I dont think he'd open pot with (a) J, when his stack is much better weilded when someone opens and his raise commits them (post).
I 4bet here pretty much of the time, but not always, depends on oponnents 3bet range. But I dont hate the call to the 3 bet, if you have a feel for their tendencies pot.