In Response to Re: J10s on btn after limps : Even my range at NL4 is wider than that lol Seriously though it's fairly obvious the higher you move up the more varied your raising range needs to be, I've never played it but like a I keep on saying I saw bags of goldfish limping UTG/general bad play with junk on Saturdays nights and repeatedly every week it happens so maybe you just have to play at the right time. Posted by Dudeskin8
Dude can I ask what age you are? I know it's personal, however it's relevant to the advice I would give you regards moving up limits and bankroll management.
In Response to Re: J10s on btn after limps : Dude can I ask what age you are? I know it's personal, however it's relevant to the advice I would give you regards moving up limits and bankroll management. Cheers Posted by yuranASSet
In Response to Re: J10s on btn after limps : Dude can I ask what age you are? I know it's personal, however it's relevant to the advice I would give you regards moving up limits and bankroll management. Cheers Posted by yuranASSet
20 mate, also check ya profile sent friend request.
In Response to Re: J10s on btn after limps : 20 mate, also check ya profile sent friend request. Posted by Dudeskin8
I was going to send you a private message buy i'll leave this ida open to others as it's just my opinion.
But your 20 and i noticed you said you play by a 20 buy in rule. When you are 20 You are aloud to be more agressive with your bankroll.
You havn't accepted it as a full time job yet, I'm not fully aware of your current situation but maybe one day you would like to make money playing full time playing poker. Well I suggest... because your 20....
if you have 140 bankroll, skip 8nl... stop playing 4nl right now and start playing 10nl because you will beat it.
and when your bankroll is 260-300, mix between 10nl and 20nl and you will beat it. Get your bankroll too 600 stop wasting time because if it goes pear shaped your only 20. The younger the age the more agressive you should be with your bankroll. I know you believe you can beat 20nl so do it, then apply the hours and keep on improving then watch the more pour in.
If you run bad at 10nl stop playing it when you hit an 80 quid bankroll and start again. But I don't think that will happen, 10nl is a doddle mate.
Controversial bankroll tips but you need to believe in your game. Play the way you play at 4nl and you won't experience huge variance and swings
WOW interesting response, I actually thought you were about to tell me 20 BI's wasn't enough lol
I agree with you that I probably/definitely will be able to beat NL10 and with 14 BI's yes that would most likely be enough but I guess I'm just VERY nitty so making that jump up feels a little risky as I'd hate to see it all crumble.
It's not massive to most REGS but I had a 5 BI down swing over 2 days at the start of the month which took me under £100 but I was fine with it as was playing within BR if that happened at NL10 it might affect my game and mindest.
So in short I'll stick to how I'm doing it now but thanks for vote of confidence.
Okay, but all i'm saying is if you ask most of the winning "old regs", I bet they wish they were a little more agressive with their bankroll at 20. I'm not saying go bust but make sure you leave yourself 80 to start again. But if you don't have the confidence to try i, don't do it.
Okay, but all i'm saying is if you ask most of the winning "old regs", I bet they wish they were a little more agressive with their bankroll at 20. I'm not saying go bust but make sure you leave yourself 80 to start again. But if you don't have the confidence to try i, don't do it. Good Luck Posted by yuranASSet
As Micheal J Fox said 'Nobody calls me chicken!'
I have the confidence but also want to feel the sense of achievement of moving up the levels instead of 'taking a shot' as many do. This can work but it can also end in disaster.
It wouldn't be a shot! Just beat it and like I said, your only 20. If you do fauil try again. There us absolute no bust risk involved go, you'll always have 80 ui for 4NL, YOUR YOUNG BE AGGRESSIVE.
depends how the table is playing - if there are a lot of check folding going on i am raising - I would ask myself why I am rasing - inflate the pot or get them to fold if they appear to be flatting AA-22 I am Limping the only problem you do have is if you raise and they call then your flush may be no good if it comes at everyone loves suited conns at NL4 and will call any raise OOP
About the bankroll thing, the 20buy in rule assumes you beat the game (all bankfoll management strategies do afaik) its a rule of thumb to protect you from variance. Dudeskin Im sure can beat higher levels, but the reason you wait till you are rolled is to protect yourself from variance. Its up to him and I understand what yuranasset is saying, but losing 8-10 buy ins can easily happen due to variance even if you are a good winner in a game
depends how the table is playing - if there are a lot of check folding going on i am raising - I would ask myself why I am rasing - inflate the pot or get them to fold if they appear to be flatting AA-22 I am Limping the only problem you do have is if you raise and they call then your flush may be no good if it comes at everyone loves suited conns at NL4 and will call any raise OOP Posted by rancid
That's another thing, am I raising with J10s to get everyone to fold primarily and then if they call cbet good flops or when I raise do I want them to call, surely not ? Whenever the NL200/300 reraise with like 56s it's pretty much always to take it down there and then so this is the same I presume and in that case is there any point with just 4/5 BB's in the pot ?
Also, yes grantorino variance can happen and I'd rather it happen when I'm more stable and can take the beats, although I could play down to £80 I'd rather just progress through 8NL then 10NL which is only 5 BI's off from £160 /> £200 so won't take that long.
I think thats a good point by Yura, as long as you still live with your parents and you can always top up still. like he says if you get down to 80 then jus grind it up but maybe you wont need to.
In Response to Re: J10s on btn after limps : That's another thing, am I raising with J10s to get everyone to fold primarily and then if they call cbet good flops or when I raise do I want them to call, surely not ? Whenever the NL200/300 reraise with like 56s it's pretty much always to take it down there and then so this is the same I presume and in that case is there any point with just 4/5 BB's in the pot ? Also, yes grantorino variance can happen and I'd rather it happen when I'm more stable and can take the beats, although I could play down to £80 I'd rather just progress through 8NL then 10NL which is only 5 BI's off from £160 /> £200 so won't take that long. Posted by Dudeskin8
Two way thing raising in position at NL4 gives you two ways to win, they fold or check fold to your c bet. Probably best to be raising 80% of the time in this situation if the table is passive.
Regarding the bankroll, I've tried spinning up and it's great when it works but when you get like 10-15 bad beats on the bounce you do start to think grinding is best. For example in four days I doubled by bankrolls by spins, in the next two weeks it was gone
I think there are a lot of players who can beat 10NL and higher but honestly your age doesn't matter. Stick to your BRM and feel comfotable taking a downswing or loosing 5-12 buy ins. I think it's a safer route to take your spins in MTT's were you can win a lot compared to your BR. Enter £5 MTT's and try and spin from there, providing you win back the money in your cash game to cover your outlay.
I'm prob one of the biggest bankroll nits on the site, so i'll give my opinion.....
I've been playing/beating the same level/s now for nearly 2 years, without moving up. I've taken shots but they were spontanious rather than pre-planned, ie, when I'm on a heater/on tilt, or just drunk....
I'm reluctant to move up because I've worked so hard to build my bankroll and am in a position where I can take significant money from it reguarly, whilst maintining/increasing it with no chance of going bust....
Obv that's a good situation to be in, but I really do regret not being more aggressive with my bankroll from day 1. I got stuck in a rut/routine, and I couldn't seem to get out of it, and now it's got to the point where I don't even want to get out of it.
It's going to be hard for me to improve as a player without moving up, so I've kinda settled for beating a level I know I can beat, and it is what it is.....
But if I could go back 2 years I would have definitely taken ASSets advice, it's the best way to be aggressive when you KNOW you can beat the games. It's a fine line between being brave and being stupid with your bankroll, but pre-determined, calculated risks are definitely a good idea and a good habit to get in to.
I'd +1 it, and encourage you to get to 8nl asap, like now........
You play a solid unexploitable game, you can't really fail.
Well one of the main reasons I want to move up is mainly so I can start entering the bigger MTT's where for £11 you can win potentially £100's and for £22/£33 £1000's. So basically the aim is to get to a stage where my cash game fully funds the MTT's whilst also giving me some pocket money. Also this may sound stupid but being on one of the Mastercash tables they show would be cool and is another little goal of mine, although playing properly i.e. not with scared money which it would be now.
On the 8NL Dohhh I will give that a go tonight, just 1 table to start with mind .
Interesting BRM debate..... I'm prob one of the biggest bankroll nits on the site, so i'll give my opinion..... I've been playing/beating the same level/s now for nearly 2 years, without moving up. I've taken shots but they were spontanious rather than pre-planned, ie, when I'm on a heater/on tilt, or just drunk.... I'm reluctant to move up because I've worked so hard to build my bankroll and am in a position where I can take significant money from it reguarly, whilst maintining/increasing it with no chance of going bust.... Obv that's a good situation to be in, but I really do regret not being more aggressive with my bankroll from day 1. I got stuck in a rut/routine, and I couldn't seem to get out of it, and now it's got to the point where I don't even want to get out of it. It's going to be hard for me to improve as a player without moving up, so I've kinda settled for beating a level I know I can beat, and it is what it is..... But if I could go back 2 years I would have definitely taken ASSets advice, it's the best way to be aggressive when you KNOW you can beat the games. It's a fine line between being brave and being stupid with your bankroll, but pre-determined, calculated risks are definitely a good idea and a good habit to get in to. I'd +1 it, and encourage you to get to 8nl asap, like now........ You play a solid unexploitable game, you can't really fail. gl either way Posted by DOHHHHHHH
I have always valued your advice on here.
In your position I would defo make a a move up, I would find it frustrating that players like Boonicon, Tommy D etc have moved on when you must have played them loads when they were playing 30nl regularly, I know you crush 30nl, but found myself on a 20nl table with you the other night and thought I would check to see how many tables you were playing and it was 1!!!! Perhaps you were playing elsewhere/doing other things but seemed like a waste of your time.
Seems to me to be a sign of boredom, move on and crush 50nl and 100nl!
As far as Dudeskin is concerned I think defo move on too, I struggled far more with 8nl and 10nl than I do with 20nl and 30nl, get there as soon as you can, take those shots at £10 MTTs and challenge yourself you seem to have a super solid game so will have no problem.
In Response to Re: J10s on btn after limps : I have always valued your advice on here. In your position I would defo make a a move up, I would find it frustrating that players like Boonicon, Tommy D etc have moved on when you must have played them loads when they were playing 30nl regularly, I know you crush 30nl, but found myself on a 20nl table with you the other night and thought I would check to see how many tables you were playing and it was 1!!!! Perhaps you were playing elsewhere/doing other things but seemed like a waste of your time. Seems to me to be a sign of boredom, move on and crush 50nl and 100nl! As far as Dudeskin is concerned I think defo move on too, I struggled far more with 8nl and 10nl than I do with 20nl and 30nl, get there as soon as you can, take those shots at £10 MTTs and challenge yourself you seem to have a super solid game so will have no problem. Just my opinion. Good Luck guys! Posted by mattless
Ah yeh this was at the end of the session when I'd closed 5 tables down, I intended to close all but there was a fish with a stack to your left, and I kept giving myself 1 more orbit to try and get him. lol.
Kept getting me though
I would never be able to 1 table constantly unless I'm HU or deep in an mtt.
Anyway I take your general point, but I'm pretty much resigned now. Poker is hard enough to enjoy without losing, and the regs higher up are soooooo much better that althought grinding 1 level can also be boring, on balance it's the better option for me.
Still take stupid drunken shots and blow loads though, that'll never change
In Response to Re: J10s on btn after limps : Ah yeh this was at the end of the session when I'd closed 5 tables down, I intended to close all but there was a fish with a stack to your left, and I kept giving myself 1 more orbit to try and get him. lol. Kept getting me though I would never be able to 1 table constantly unless I'm HU or deep in an mtt. Anyway I take your general point, but I'm pretty much resigned now. Poker is hard enough to enjoy without losing, and the regs higher up are soooooo much better that althought grinding 1 level can also be boring, on balance it's the better option for me. Still take stupid drunken shots and blow loads though, that'll never change Posted by DOHHHHHHH
Think you would kill 50nl, I'm sure you have bankroll and you could do it without affecting your "income"
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I agree with you that I probably/definitely will be able to beat NL10 and with 14 BI's yes that would most likely be enough but I guess I'm just VERY nitty so making that jump up feels a little risky as I'd hate to see it all crumble.
It's not massive to most REGS but I had a 5 BI down swing over 2 days at the start of the month which took me under £100 but I was fine with it as was playing within BR if that happened at NL10 it might affect my game and mindest.
So in short I'll stick to how I'm doing it now but thanks for vote of confidence.
I have the confidence but also want to feel the sense of achievement of moving up the levels instead of 'taking a shot' as many do. This can work but it can also end in disaster.
if there are a lot of check folding going on i am raising -
I would ask myself why I am rasing - inflate the pot or get them to fold
if they appear to be flatting AA-22 I am Limping
the only problem you do have is if you raise and they call then your flush may be no good if it comes at
everyone loves suited conns at NL4 and will call any raise OOP
Also, yes grantorino variance can happen and I'd rather it happen when I'm more stable and can take the beats, although I could play down to £80 I'd rather just progress through 8NL then 10NL which is only 5 BI's off from £160 /> £200 so won't take that long.
I think thats a good point by Yura, as long as you still live with your parents and you can always top up still. like he says if you get down to 80 then jus grind it up but maybe you wont need to.
Probably best to be raising 80% of the time in this situation if the table is passive.
Regarding the bankroll, I've tried spinning up and it's great when it works but when you get like 10-15 bad beats on the bounce you do start to think grinding is best.
For example in four days I doubled by bankrolls by spins, in the next two weeks it was gone
I think there are a lot of players who can beat 10NL and higher but honestly your age doesn't matter.
Stick to your BRM and feel comfotable taking a downswing or loosing 5-12 buy ins.
I think it's a safer route to take your spins in MTT's were you can win a lot compared to your BR.
Enter £5 MTT's and try and spin from there, providing you win back the money in your cash game to cover your outlay.
Well one of the main reasons I want to move up is mainly so I can start entering the bigger MTT's where for £11 you can win potentially £100's and for £22/£33 £1000's. So basically the aim is to get to a stage where my cash game fully funds the MTT's whilst also giving me some pocket money. Also this may sound stupid but being on one of the Mastercash tables they show would be cool and is another little goal of mine, although playing properly i.e. not with scared money which it would be now.
On the 8NL Dohhh I will give that a go tonight, just 1 table to start with mind
In your position I would defo make a a move up, I would find it frustrating that players like Boonicon, Tommy D etc have moved on when you must have played them loads when they were playing 30nl regularly, I know you crush 30nl, but found myself on a 20nl table with you the other night and thought I would check to see how many tables you were playing and it was 1!!!! Perhaps you were playing elsewhere/doing other things but seemed like a waste of your time.
Seems to me to be a sign of boredom, move on and crush 50nl and 100nl!
As far as Dudeskin is concerned I think defo move on too, I struggled far more with 8nl and 10nl than I do with 20nl and 30nl, get there as soon as you can, take those shots at £10 MTTs and challenge yourself you seem to have a super solid game so will have no problem.
Just my opinion. Good Luck guys!