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Did i lose long term value on river by flatting?

freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
DesertKnig Small blind  £0.15 £0.15 £12.75
yuranASSet Big blind  £0.30 £0.45 £30.63
  Your hole cards
  • A
  • A
     
witsy39 Fold     
scouse_ste Raise  £1.50 £1.95 £40.48
freechips1 Raise  £4.20 £6.15 £29.66
xxMick68xx Fold     
DesertKnig Fold     
yuranASSet Fold     
scouse_ste Call  £2.70 £8.85 £37.78
Flop
   
  • 2
  • 9
  • K
     
scouse_ste Check     
freechips1 Bet  £5.70 £14.55 £23.96
scouse_ste Call  £5.70 £20.25 £32.08
Turn
   
  • K
     
scouse_ste Check     
freechips1 Check     
River
   
  • K
     
scouse_ste Bet  £12.60 £32.85 £19.48
freechips1 Call  £12.60 £45.45 £11.36
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited July 2011
    Villan is a nit.  5x pre from EP, his range, JJ+,AK not sure about AQ.
    I think villan will fold JJ on flop but would he peel one off with QQ? 
    How do you play it? Bet/fold turn?
    But the main one is flatting river, do you flat or shove?
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited July 2011
    As you only have 11 back i say shove.

    Plus he could have over played any PP maybe?

    only  hand i can be woried about here is AK, maybe he plays KQ the same?
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited July 2011
    looks like Q's or 9's if he's a nit.

    I cant flat river given stacks.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    Snap shove for me.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    if hes a nit I'd 3bet a little bigger pre

    shove turn, definitely shove river
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Did i lose long term value on river by flatting?:
    if hes a nit I'd 3bet a little bigger pre shove turn, definitely shove river
    Posted by grantorino
    Why would you shove the turn? only Kx calls. I cant see a nit calling a pot size shove with a under pair (QQ).
    I do agree that i could of made it a little bigger pre as he has such a narrow range.
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited July 2011
    I stack off on the river.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Did i lose long term value on river by flatting?:
    In Response to Re: Did i lose long term value on river by flatting? : Why would you shove the turn? only Kx calls. I cant see a nit calling a pot size shove with a under pair (QQ). I do agree that i could of made it a little bigger pre as he has such a narrow range.
    Posted by freechips1
    Well I dont know how he plays, but I think you can often get calls from QQ here. If hes that nitty maybe flat river, but I thinks its a classic zeebo theorem spot on river
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  • ybyb Member Posts: 1,471
    edited July 2011
    I'd also check back turn, shove river we're only losing to 2 combos and I doubt he's folding QQ/JJ given stack sizes. If you're deeper you can flat river.
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  • AMYBRAMYBR Member Posts: 3,432
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Did i lose long term value on river by flatting?:
    I'd also check back turn, shove river we're only losing to 2 combos and I doubt he's folding QQ/JJ given stack sizes. If you're deeper you can flat river.
    Posted by yb
    +1
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  • freechips1freechips1 Member Posts: 861
    edited July 2011
    Villan had AK, after he called on flop his range was AK and pos QQ.
    I just wanted to see how many peeps flat on river.  I think yb has got it spot on, if i was sat deep then a flat with a good read is fine.
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  • BAMBIMOSBAMBIMOS Member Posts: 3
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Did i lose long term value on river by flatting?:
    I'd also check back turn, shove river we're only losing to 2 combos and I doubt he's folding QQ/JJ given stack sizes. If you're deeper you can flat river.
    Posted by yb
    I agree with this, even a nit would make call here getting 5:1 on his money after you shove.
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited July 2011
    Why are you not shoving lol
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