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Help with KK played v badly

WHISKEYJAKWHISKEYJAK Member Posts: 10
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceiluvlifeSmall blind £0.05£0.05£1.59applaudmeBig blind £0.10£0.15£7.67cBig blind £0.10£0.25£9.90 Your hole cardsKK   JDQuadFold    cCheck    WHISKEYJAKRaise £0.40£0.65£9.76iluvlifeFold    applaudmeFold    cCall £0.30£0.95£9.60Flop  956   cBet £0.50£1.45£9.10WHISKEYJAKCall £0.50£1.95£9.26Turn  6   cCheck    WHISKEYJAKCheck    River  7   cBet £1.60£3.55£7.50WHISKEYJAKCall £1.60£5.15£7.66cShowJ2   WHISKEYJAKMuckKK   cWinFlush to the Jack£4.76 £12.
Ok so I know I should have folded the river (I knew I was beat at the time but find it very hard to fold on these occasions when I know I originally had the best hand and lose way too much money here) and I think I know I should have bet the turn. But should I have raised the flop?
 
I have just finished reading Harrington on Cash Games and he bangs on about pot control and how any pair on the flop is still a small hand, and to try and keep the pot small by checking and calling (think this also influenced my turn check). But before reading this I think I would have raised flop (£1.50??), stopped his flush draw and won the hand. Also, is his bet on the flop what would be classed as a blocking bet?

Please be as harsh as possible cheers.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited July 2011
    i actually like the way you have played it, i think you have to call the river, looks fine to me.
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Help with KK played v badly:
    . Ok so I know I should have folded the river (I knew I was beat at the time but find it very hard to fold on these occasions when I know I originally had the best hand and lose way too much money here) and I think I know I should have bet the turn. But should I have raised the flop?   I have just finished reading Harrington on Cash Games and he bangs on about pot control and how any pair on the flop is still a small hand, and to try and keep the pot small by checking and calling (think this also influenced my turn check). But before reading this I think I would have raised flop (£1.50??), stopped his flush draw and won the hand. Also, is his bet on the flop what would be classed as a blocking bet? Please be as harsh as possible cheers.
    Posted by WHISKEYJAK
    Pre 4x fine

    Flop i bet more half pot giving him odds to call his draws- I prob bet />3/4 of pot

    Turn - i prob bet out decent sive again - mayb think of folding to a raise

    River - if played as above i dont think you would ave got there!

    As played your hand is so under repped i dont think i can fold! But if villian is calling with J 2 suited I follow them around the tables! just make sure you take some notes

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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    I raise flop, then at least bet turn.

    River is probably a fold for me.
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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2011
    His donk lead on the flop is normally a draw or a marginal hand such as 2nd pair or top pair with a weak kicker, maybe a pair and a flush draw, but either way you're ahead of all of those and happy to get the money in.

    Turn is deffo a bet, if he turned trips he would continue to lead, the draw missed, and you are still ahead of top pair. 
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Help with KK played v badly:
    His donk lead on the flop is normally a draw or a marginal hand such as 2nd pair or top pair with a weak kicker, maybe a pair and a flush draw, but either way you're ahead of all of those and happy to get the money in. Turn is deffo a bet, if he turned trips he would continue to lead, the draw missed, and you are still ahead of top pair. 
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    I do agree with betting the turn, but what do you do on the river, flat?
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Help with KK played v badly:
    In Response to Re: Help with KK played v badly : I do agree with betting the turn, but what do you do on the river, flat?
    Posted by iBLUFF
    If you have bet flop + turn with a decent bet i think its ok to check fold river, every draw under the sun has come in
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  • jimb0d1jimb0d1 Member Posts: 660
    edited July 2011
    I would raise to a pound on the flop. He folds, so be it.

    If he calls, I need to find out where I am with another considerable bet. At least then I have options. If he raises I would fold, calls then leads out I fold.

    The way you played the turn here gave him lots of options, even if he only had the paired 9 he can lead out.
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: Help with KK played v badly:
    I would raise to a pound on the flop. He folds, so be it. If he calls, I need to find out where I am with another considerable bet. At least then I have options. If he raises I would fold, calls then leads out I fold. The way you played the turn here gave him lots of options, even if he only had the paired 9 he can lead out.
    Posted by jimb0d1
    why would you min raise the flop? you said to see were you are, but a min raise doesnt do that. any 2cards are going to call a min raise?
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    raise flop for value, bet turn for value, as played prob fold river but your hand is so underrepped I dont hate a call
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited July 2011
    i'd bet 1.30 on flop , bet turn

    as played is a crying call really but would have played out completely different had you bet properly 2 streets, they probably dont go away but will give you more of an idea and its possible to fold when flush hits
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  • WHISKEYJAKWHISKEYJAK Member Posts: 10
    edited July 2011
    Cheers for the feedback fellas.

    For future reference does anyone know why the half the balances on the diagram are missing?
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