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river desision v active player

The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
edited July 2011 in The Poker Clinic
ok this is the 7.45 deepie. £1.10 entry

The opponent is very active has a VERY HIGH VP% thingy. I cant think of one hand ive played post he hasnt been in. The check on the turn is simple. Hes never folding a K on the flop and felt i get better info checking and assessing the river. This pairs the 5 and a insta pot bet from the opponent.

Do you call or fold and why?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
xSmall blind  40.00 40.00 6209.06
josh691 Big blind  80.00 120.00 8683.75
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • A
     
The_Don90 Raise  240.00 360.00 6046.25
chris1963 Fold     
TheDart Fold     
ilj Fold     
xCall  200.00 560.00 6009.06
josh691 Fold     
Flop
   
  • 5
  • A
  • K
     
xCheck     
The_Don90 Bet  420.00 980.00 5626.25
xCall  420.00 1400.00 5589.06
Turn
   
  • K
     
xCheck     
The_Don90 Check     
River
   
  • 5
     
xBet  1400.00 2800.00 4189.06
The_Don90 ????
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    I snap it off, plus bet that turn.
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  • Prop60Prop60 Member Posts: 147
    edited July 2011
    Hi Don

    Much better players than me will advise, I'm sure, but fwiw -  

    Don't know what a high vp% means but I think you're right about the king - the check on the turn is very smelly.

    Having checked in the hope you'd bet, his bet on the river is value town. I think I fold here and wait for a better spot.

    You do have the option of repping AA or AK in the hole with a push but is it worth risking your tourney this early? If he has got a house he's never folding

    What did you do? Don't tell me - you called and he had KK 55!
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  • Prop60Prop60 Member Posts: 147
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: river desision v active player:
    I snap it off, plus bet that turn.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Dude - this is so far at odds with what I suggested - can you explain? I'm obv missing something here.
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited July 2011
    Why should he bet the turn? I think checking is fine!
    if he has a high vpip and is passive he could easily be over-repping Ax, the only thing i would be worried about is his bet sizing, pot size bet often indicates he has it, but since you checked the turn he might believe you've given up on the pot and be bluffing, i call tbh
    @Prop, vpip is 'voluntary put money into pot' .. basically means how often villain calls/raises pre flop, not including putting blinds in obv
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  • YOUNG_GUNYOUNG_GUN Member Posts: 8,948
    edited July 2011
    I bet turn and as played snap it off
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  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited July 2011

    By reads it's a call as you haven't got to credit him with hitting that initial flop however down to his betting i would put him on the k or 5 as he is calling the flop which if he had top pair he would be leading out, he has no draws to hang on for.
    All my money is on him having A5 or 56 (suited) lol could be the magic K 6 of clubs but he would bet the turn

    What happened

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  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited July 2011
    Snap call.

    Don't mind checking behind the turn with the intention of calling almost any river bet.
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  • CodexCodex Member Posts: 211
    edited July 2011
    as played, i think its a call - i'd prob bet the turn

    the problem is you turn check induces the river bet so you can't assume its because he's storng
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  • DrSharpDrSharp Member Posts: 1,213
    edited July 2011
    I dont like it but i make the call.

    When you check back the turn its a green light for him to make the move on the river, with the reads given, its a call. He could be doing this with worse hands. Tough spot. I think a bet on the turn folds anything but the nuts most of the time.
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: river desision v active player:
    Why should he bet the turn? I think checking is fine! if he has a high vpip and is passive he could easily be over-repping Ax, the only thing i would be worried about is his bet sizing, pot size bet often indicates he has it, but since you checked the turn he might believe you've given up on the pot and be bluffing, i call tbh @Prop, vpip is 'voluntary put money into pot' .. basically means how often villain calls/raises pre flop, not including putting blinds in obv
    Posted by percival09
    I bet turn for value my friend. :)
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  • CodexCodex Member Posts: 211
    edited July 2011
    checking the turn can be a good move - in that you can induce a bluff on the river, where you may not get any more chips with the best hand betting the turn

    but if you check the turn, you have to call the river - to be 'safe', bet the turn, probably lower variance, lower reward/loss
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited July 2011
    I much prefer betting turn, as played you have to call
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  • iBLUFFiBLUFF Member Posts: 1,244
    edited July 2011
    Agree wth Grantorino on this, bet the turn and river is a call.
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  • scotty77scotty77 Member Posts: 4,970
    edited July 2011
    I call esp as we haven't bet the turn
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited July 2011
    I'm not saying checking is the 100% right play, but checking is definitely ok
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  • GlenelgGlenelg Member Posts: 6,600
    edited July 2011
    I've played quite a few of the 7:45 £1:10 DS tourneys in the last 2 weeks.  FWIW I'd be folding here!

    I would prob have bet the turn to see how committed he was to his hand. Smacks of a house to me now.
    I def DON'T want to put my tourney life at risk here. 

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  • The_Don90The_Don90 Member Posts: 9,814
    edited July 2011
    just curious to all the people saying call. what kind of hand do they think he has?

    I will try find this and show full results if i can at a later date.
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  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: river desision v active player:
    Snap call. Don't mind checking behind the turn with the intention of calling almost any river bet.
    Posted by DOHHHHHHH
    +1
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  • WilhelmWilhelm Member Posts: 1,730
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: river desision v active player:
    just curious to all the people saying call. what kind of hand do they think he has? I will try find this and show full results if i can at a later date.
    Posted by The_Don90
    full house, trips, worse aces, and fook all
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited July 2011
    In Response to Re: river desision v active player:
    just curious to all the people saying call. what kind of hand do they think he has? I will try find this and show full results if i can at a later date.
    Posted by The_Don90
    its a £1.10 deepie - he could have any two cards!!
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