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Bet or Check and how much?
Dudeskin8
Member Posts: 6,228
Mid range in deepy, no notes on player but have seen them shove 20k over a 600 raise and call but no hand seen.
Make standard raise pre after limp then bet on good flop.
Turn brings 3rd heart, pot 4200 with 10k behind can I bet/fold here or is check/fold better or is that too weak ?
Make standard raise pre after limp then bet on good flop.
Turn brings 3rd heart, pot 4200 with 10k behind can I bet/fold here or is check/fold better or is that too weak ?
| Nadz007 | Small blind | 100.00 | 100.00 | 8670.00 | |
| Dudeskin8 | Big blind | 200.00 | 300.00 | 11977.50 | |
| Your hole cards |
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| woods01 | Fold | ||||
| NavahoJohn | Fold | ||||
| x | Call | 200.00 | 500.00 | 19745.00 | |
| karl88402 | Fold | ||||
| Nadz007 | Call | 100.00 | 600.00 | 8570.00 | |
| Dudeskin8 | Raise | 600.00 | 1200.00 | 11377.50 | |
| x | Call | 600.00 | 1800.00 | 19145.00 | |
| Nadz007 | Fold | ||||
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| Dudeskin8 | Bet | 1200.00 | 3000.00 | 10177.50 | |
| x | Call | 1200.00 | 4200.00 | 17945.00 | |
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Comments
he can only bet a flush here or ace big heart :S
checking here makes you look strong not weak
bet 2500 fold to a raise
You seem angry, not taking your pills ?
So you say bet a quarter of your stack and hope he folds :S
Think this is a bit spewy considering his stack size.
In these kind of situations I think checking can be good, and yes if you did have say Kx of heart you would be inclined to check sometimes and bet others.
Maybe if he was deeper he could lead out.
Think he gets the same answer by checking that he would do with a bet.
Can’t see many reasons to bet here? Can we really bet for value, maybe on the river if he checks back turn.
I think if he bets turn then it’s got to be to get chips in middle.
Lets say he bets and he calls, what then – we can’t bet again so we gotta check the river
Either way it’s horrible OOP, but I think checking here is fine
Calm down it’s only a game )
Agree its a tricky spot, its not so much the fact you check I disagree with. You say checking looks strong here. How? Why can he only bet big hands when we raise pre, cbet flop, then check turn.
We can definitely bet turn for value, but I do agree its tricky to play river afterwards, I prob c/f it usually, even though I'd be pretty tempted to shove a non heart river
On turn c/f sounds too weak, I dont think we can c/c twice, and imo b/f turn will be more profitable than c/c turn ,give up on river
What percentage of the time will this guy bet here as a bluff ? So your b/f to a bluff or he has you beat - or you get him to fold Ax which you beat ! Not much value there, unless he is a station and will call you down
I expect someone who limpcalls pre to call with worse Ax and some draws, maybe even worse pairs. I dont think he bluffraises often enough to make betting bad
Why not c/f to a bluff or he has you beat - same thing but you don't loss a quarter of your stack Can we c/r shove his bet - yeah we can if you think he is semi bluffing with a heart or just Ax.
Because he calls with lots of worse hands
You may bet 2500, but also betting here can look weak, what are you betting here - a weak flush - Ax :S Kinda opens you up to a move doesn't it
Well I would bet sets, 2pair, big Ax, flushes , some draws, maybe even air sometimes. Yes he may make a move, but checking makes it pretty easy for him to make a move
Honestly if he was deeper I don't mind the lead, as we get called by Ax or A heart and we can get some value without risking too much of our stack But putting a quarter of your stack as a b/f, not even a semi bluff with a heart to me just does not seem right So with that in mind I am leaning towards checking as I think it also gives you more options Think we agree to disagree )
Fair enough
Posted by rancid
Good points well made Gran, I can see the benefits in what your saying
Your comment regarding him limp calling - yeah he could so easily have worse and call with a heart
So these worse hands do seem to be a high persentage of his range
And you say he is bad because of the limp which is fair comment
Be intresting to see what happened