In Response to What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : My prediction below :-) Part 1 players would all start separate threads on the genral forum moaning about being rigged. Part 2 the sky forum mods would then transfer over to area 51. Part 3 the players would then be giving each other a virtual *high 5* stating they knew the site was rigged. Part 4 us experienced players who use proper bankroll managment and understand variance will post that to them. Posted by JAMIEP
We're not worthy, we're not worthy lol. All good points and all completely true!
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : Generally good post but a lot of people's idea of "letting off steam" is to scream "it's fixed" or "I'm never playing on this site again". That's not very realistic or mature. It also doesn't generally seem to stop them playing again the next night. Four years is VERY impressive since the site only started in February 2007, I believe. ;-) Posted by MereNovice
hi merenovice---dont suppose you could figure out the odds of this happening ---i'd love to know----sure tikay would too--gl m8
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : hi merenovice---dont suppose you could figure out the odds of this happening ---i'd love to know----sure tikay would too--gl m8 Posted by oynutter
Given three starting hands with pocket pairs, the odds of 3 people flopping a set are:
I must say to this point, I am always upset when losing with one of the hands mentioned before. While playing in a double your money sit and go today i lost with a full house 2 hands in a row. The first time walking into the quads. I thought to myself its my own fault for not folding when the quads where an obvious challenge.
The second time was enough to knock me out, The stack just bigger than me called my all in with 55 which was meant as a scare bet, he had 6 10. Was confused at the call and though well i must be around a 50% chance. flop came 992 so i was still ahead now with two pair. Turn card came with my opponent hitting his 6 and the other 9 on the river. Again i just thought it was Karma.
As many times as i will lose with these hands i will always live to survive another day, weather as it be on Sky poker, Live Tournament or Live cash game i will eventually hit my own cards and win with these hands and beat someone with that hand. Such as yesterday hitting my quad 5's to beat the 9 over 5 full house.
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : Given three starting hands with pocket pairs, the odds of 3 people flopping a set are: 6/46 * 4/45 * 2/44 = 0.05% or 1897 to 1. Not as big odds as you might think, I guess. Posted by MereNovice
Far be it for me to query the King of Stats, & in fact, you may well be right.
But....
The odds you quote are for 3 players each holding PP to each flop a Set. So you have - I think - calculated the Set odds.
The odds I'd be interested to know are not quite the same thing.
What would be the odds for three players each to be dealt a PP, AND to each flop a Set. Which is an entirely different thing.
I heard on another Forum it was in the region of 41,000-1.
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : Generally good post but a lot of people's idea of "letting off steam" is to scream "it's fixed" or "I'm never playing on this site again". That's not very realistic or mature. It also doesn't generally seem to stop them playing again the next night. Four years is VERY impressive since the site only started in February 2007, I believe. ;-) Posted by MereNovice
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : Far be it for me to query the King of Stats, & in fact, you may well be right. But.... The odds you quote are for 3 players each holding PP to each flop a Set. So you have - I think - calculated the Set odds. The odds I'd be interested to know are not quite the same thing. What would be the odds for three players each to be dealt a PP, AND to each flop a Set. Which is an entirely different thing. I heard on another Forum it was in the region of 41,000-1. Posted by Tikay10
Roughly the same odds of me winning a tournament at the moment!!!
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : Far be it for me to query the King of Stats, & in fact, you may well be right. But.... The odds you quote are for 3 players each holding PP to each flop a Set. So you have - I think - calculated the Set odds. The odds I'd be interested to know are not quite the same thing. What would be the odds for three players each to be dealt a PP, AND to each flop a Set. Which is an entirely different thing. I heard on another Forum it was in the region of 41,000-1. Posted by Tikay10
Sounds more like it!
I was watching High Stakes Poker (or one of those US shows) and I think it was Antonious and Lederer and they both held pocket Aces.. after the hand, which eventually was a split pot. Patrick declared that he, in all his time playing, had never been up against another pair of pocket aces. (Most of time Aces v Aces would go to showdown I assume). So that is another rare combination I presume?!
once in the pub I got Kings v. Kings, and I nearly folded on the river to a big bet (i am that tight lol)
I've never believed that there is anything funny going on, but people DO have seriously bad beats and moreso online when there are more hands to play per hour. The last three MTTs I've gone out: 1. Anjie had KK against my aces and hit a K on the river. 2. Unknown villain needed to hit a 6 on the river and hit it. 3. Another villain had J7o, I had K9, flop was K92 rainbow - turn and river were 8 and T. All three were terrible beats. In only one of them could I say the villain played well or anywhere near properly (that was Anjie who did play it well and had me covered). After playing on this site for about four years, I've posted two consecutive months of losses for the first time. I'm not moaning 'fix' or anything like that, I'm just on a dreadful run. At times like this, which happen to all of us, people do get emotive. It's too dismissive to label everyone who lets off a bit of steam as a 'whinger'. Posted by BigBluster
Well, I hear you, but I don't agree.
First off, what good does moaning do? It's like moaning about the weaether - it's a waste of time & energy, & nobody wants to hear moans, or read about them. Nobody.
To me, a class act is someone who takes their beats like a grown-up, instead of bellyaching every time they get a beat. In that respect, poker is a great game to gauge how people stand up to a bit of adversity, a bit of rain in their face. If they can't take a beat at the poker table (poker is just a game) without moaning, I dread to think how they stand up to real setbacks, & the bumps & bruises of real life.
But if they wannna whinge, fine, let them, I won't engage with them, read it, or reply to it. If they really think moaning will solve anything, they are kidding themselves - but they are not kidding me. On the Live Circuit, all the players know not to bother me with their Bad Beat Tales, as I'm not interested, nor is anyone else. Try telling Dave Colclough, a perfect Gent, a Bad-Beat Tale, & see what happens. He just walks away.
However.....
It's when, because they are not able to take a beat like an adult, they accuse Sky Poker of rigging the software that it gets my goat. Quite apart from the rank stupidity of that view, what it means, by extension, is that the Staff that work here - me included - are conspiring to cheat.
Why should we have to be labelled with that libellous slur? Would you like to be so labelled?
PS - If you have made profits here since the site began, but just endured 2 losing months, your game must be excellent, & it's just variance rearing it's inevitable & ugly head. I do hope you are soon back on the profit trail.
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : Far be it for me to query the King of Stats, & in fact, you may well be right. But.... The odds you quote are for 3 players each holding PP to each flop a Set. So you have - I think - calculated the Set odds. The odds I'd be interested to know are not quite the same thing. What would be the odds for three players each to be dealt a PP, AND to each flop a Set. Which is an entirely different thing. I heard on another Forum it was in the region of 41,000-1. Posted by Tikay10
It depends on the number of players at the table. Here are the figures for a 3-handed game.
That seems very large odds and I'm happy to be corrected, as always.
The calculation is based on the following:
Player A's first card can be anything. (52/52) Player A's second card must be one of the 3 cards that pair his first card. (3/51) Player B's first card must be one of 48 cards that does not match player A's paired cards. (48/50) Player B's second card must be one of the 3 cards that pair his first card. (3/49) Player C's first card must be one of 44 cards that does not match player A's or player B's paired cards. (44/48) Player C's second card must be one of the 3 cards that pair his first card. (3/47)
The first flop card can be any of 6 cards that make a set for any of the players (6/46). The second flop card can be any of 4 cards that make a set for either of the two remaining players (4/45). The third flop card can be any of 2 cards that make a set for the third player (2/44).
If you tell me how many were seated at the table, I'll tell you the odds for that too - but I suspect that would be going too far for most people's boredom thresholds! In fact, I may have passed that threshold for most people a while ago.
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : Well, I hear you, but I don't agree. First off, what good does moaning do? It's like moaning about the weaether - it's a waste of time & energy, & nobody wants to hear moans, or read about them. Nobody. To me, a class act is someone who takes their beats like a grown-up, instead of bellyaching every time they get a beat. In that respect, poker is a great game to gauge how people stand up to a bit of adversity, a bit of rain in their face. If they can't take a beat at the poker table (poker is just a game ) without moaning, I dread to think how they stand up to real setbacks, & the bumps & bruises of real life. But if they wannna whinge, fine, let them, I won't engage with them, read it, or reply to it. If they really think moaning will solve anything, they are kidding themselves - but they are not kidding me. On the Live Circuit, all the players know not to bother me with their Bad Beat Tales, as I'm not interested, nor is anyone else. Try telling Dave Colclough, a perfect Gent, a Bad-Beat Tale, & see what happens. He just walks away. However..... It's when, because they are not able to take a beat like an adult, they accuse Sky Poker of rigging the software that it gets my goat. Quite apart from the rank stupidity of that view, what it means, by extension, is that the Staff that work here - me included - are conspiring to cheat. Why should we have to be labelled with that libellous slur? Would you like to be so labelled? PS - If you have made profits here since the site began, but just endured 2 losing months, your game must be excellent, & it's just variance rearing it's inevitable & ugly head. I do hope you are soon back on the profit trail. Posted by Tikay10
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : Well, I hear you, but I don't agree. First off, what good does moaning do? It's like moaning about the weaether - it's a waste of time & energy, & nobody wants to hear moans, or read about them. Nobody. To me, a class act is someone who takes their beats like a grown-up, instead of bellyaching every time they get a beat. In that respect, poker is a great game to gauge how people stand up to a bit of adversity, a bit of rain in their face. If they can't take a beat at the poker table (poker is just a game ) without moaning, I dread to think how they stand up to real setbacks, & the bumps & bruises of real life. But if they wannna whinge, fine, let them, I won't engage with them, read it, or reply to it. If they really think moaning will solve anything, they are kidding themselves - but they are not kidding me. On the Live Circuit, all the players know not to bother me with their Bad Beat Tales, as I'm not interested, nor is anyone else. Try telling Dave Colclough, a perfect Gent, a Bad-Beat Tale, & see what happens. He just walks away. However..... It's when, because they are not able to take a beat like an adult, they accuse Sky Poker of rigging the software that it gets my goat. Quite apart from the rank stupidity of that view, what it means, by extension, is that the Staff that work here - me included - are conspiring to cheat. Why should we have to be labelled with that libellous slur? Would you like to be so labelled? PS - If you have made profits here since the site began, but just endured 2 losing months, your game must be excellent, & it's just variance rearing it's inevitable & ugly head. I do hope you are soon back on the profit trail. Posted by Tikay10
Hi Tony, ONLY 2 MONTHS, i've been on a bad run for the last 6 or 7 months, but over the time i've been on sky i'm still in profit I would like to think i can take a beat like a man but the dog now runs as soon as the laptop comes out. I hope it will turn around but it will make my next big win all the more sweeter.
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : It depends on the number of players at the table. Here are the figures for a 3-handed game. (52/52) * (3/51) * (48/50) * (3/49) * (44/48) * (3/47) * (6/46) * (4/45) * (2/44) = 0.0000001 or 9,379,926 to 1. That seems very large odds and I'm happy to be corrected, as always. The calculation is based on the following: Player A's first card can be anything. (52/52) Player A's second card must be one of the 3 cards that pair his first card. (3/51) Player B's first card must be one of 48 cards that does not match player A's paired cards. (48/50) Player B's second card must be one of the 3 cards that pair his first card. (3/49) Player C's first card must be one of 44 cards that does not match player A's or player B's paired cards. (44/48) Player C's second card must be one of the 3 cards that pair his first card. (3/47) The first flop card can be any of 6 cards that make a set for any of the players (6/46). The first flop card can be any of 4 cards that make a set for either of the two remaining players (4/45). The first flop card can be any of 2 cards that make a set for the third player (2/44). If you tell me how many were seated at the table, I'll tell you the odds for that too - but I suspect that would be going too far for most people's boredom thresholds! In fact, I may have passed that threshold for most people a while ago. Posted by MereNovice
Can someone wake me up when this lecture is over please lol
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : Hi Tony, ONLY 2 MONTHS, i've been on a bad run for the last 6 or 7 months, but over the time i've been on sky i'm still in profit I would like to think i can take a beat like a man but the dog now runs as soon as the laptop comes out. I hope it will turn around but it will make my next big win all the more sweeter. col Posted by mr_mbro
And there is the beauty, & the abntidote, to running bad - looking forward to the upswing, which is all the sweeter with every passing day.
When I get a result - any result - I really enjoy it - I do. Because I don't much like it when I lose. But I, like you, can handle both.
Thanks Vince. The Table was playing 9 handed. Posted by Tikay10
For a 9-handed table you have to divide the odds by the number of ways of choosing 3 hands from 9. There are 84 ways of doing this - you will have to trust me on that. (I can show how that is worked out but nobody is interested - I'm 99.9% sure of that :-) ).
Therefore the odds on a 9-handed table are: 111,666 to 1.
Note: I have excluded any issues with any of the other 6 players holding one of the same cards as our three paired players just to keep this sensible.
What makes me chuckle about people going on about bad beats, is they are usually the ones that give them out!
I remember being at the Final of the (then was) SPUKT and a guy kept telling EVERYONE about his bad beats (i think he bored you for about an hour Tikay) his name is related to 'driving trucks' (",) ... Not suprisingly he busted out of the ME early on a "Bad beat" and went to do a Sit N Go... I watched him while on a break and he continually bad beated everyone on the table.. Then the inevitable happened, he actually went in ahead and got beaten, The stare he gave the person on the table would rival one of Roy Keane's... He just stared at this bloke for about 3 minutes as if he was about to shoot him or something... Scary stuff, but i think he forgot all the bad beats he had just given out... LMAO!!!
In Response to Re: What WOULD they say if this happened on Sky Poker? : ...... and breathe :-) Posted by FlashFlush
Lol.
I could have put it more succintly, I suppose.
Why indulge in a game - something, by definition, designed for enjoyment - if you are gonna moan about it? I know how many beans make five but that one whooshes me completely. If I dislike a game, I just don't play it.....
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6/46 * 4/45 * 2/44 = 0.05% or 1897 to 1.
Not as big odds as you might think, I guess.
The second time was enough to knock me out, The stack just bigger than me called my all in with 55 which was meant as a scare bet, he had 6 10. Was confused at the call and though well i must be around a 50% chance. flop came 992 so i was still ahead now with two pair. Turn card came with my opponent hitting his 6 and the other 9 on the river. Again i just thought it was Karma.
As many times as i will lose with these hands i will always live to survive another day, weather as it be on Sky poker, Live Tournament or Live cash game i will eventually hit my own cards and win with these hands and beat someone with that hand. Such as yesterday hitting my quad 5's to beat the 9 over 5 full house.
But....
The odds you quote are for 3 players each holding PP to each flop a Set. So you have - I think - calculated the Set odds.
The odds I'd be interested to know are not quite the same thing.
What would be the odds for three players each to be dealt a PP, AND to each flop a Set. Which is an entirely different thing.
I heard on another Forum it was in the region of 41,000-1.
First off, what good does moaning do? It's like moaning about the weaether - it's a waste of time & energy, & nobody wants to hear moans, or read about them. Nobody.
To me, a class act is someone who takes their beats like a grown-up, instead of bellyaching every time they get a beat. In that respect, poker is a great game to gauge how people stand up to a bit of adversity, a bit of rain in their face. If they can't take a beat at the poker table (poker is just a game) without moaning, I dread to think how they stand up to real setbacks, & the bumps & bruises of real life.
But if they wannna whinge, fine, let them, I won't engage with them, read it, or reply to it. If they really think moaning will solve anything, they are kidding themselves - but they are not kidding me. On the Live Circuit, all the players know not to bother me with their Bad Beat Tales, as I'm not interested, nor is anyone else. Try telling Dave Colclough, a perfect Gent, a Bad-Beat Tale, & see what happens. He just walks away.
However.....
It's when, because they are not able to take a beat like an adult, they accuse Sky Poker of rigging the software that it gets my goat. Quite apart from the rank stupidity of that view, what it means, by extension, is that the Staff that work here - me included - are conspiring to cheat.
Why should we have to be labelled with that libellous slur? Would you like to be so labelled?
PS - If you have made profits here since the site began, but just endured 2 losing months, your game must be excellent, & it's just variance rearing it's inevitable & ugly head. I do hope you are soon back on the profit trail.
It depends on the number of players at the table.
Here are the figures for a 3-handed game.
(52/52) * (3/51) * (48/50) * (3/49) * (44/48) * (3/47) * (6/46) * (4/45) * (2/44) = 0.0000001 or 9,379,926 to 1.
That seems very large odds and I'm happy to be corrected, as always.
The calculation is based on the following:
Player A's first card can be anything. (52/52)
Player A's second card must be one of the 3 cards that pair his first card. (3/51)
Player B's first card must be one of 48 cards that does not match player A's paired cards. (48/50)
Player B's second card must be one of the 3 cards that pair his first card. (3/49)
Player C's first card must be one of 44 cards that does not match player A's or player B's paired cards. (44/48)
Player C's second card must be one of the 3 cards that pair his first card. (3/47)
The first flop card can be any of 6 cards that make a set for any of the players (6/46).
The second flop card can be any of 4 cards that make a set for either of the two remaining players (4/45).
The third flop card can be any of 2 cards that make a set for the third player (2/44).
If you tell me how many were seated at the table, I'll tell you the odds for that too - but I suspect that would be going too far for most people's boredom thresholds! In fact, I may have passed that threshold for most people a while ago.
Thanks Vince. The Table was playing 9 handed.
ONLY 2 MONTHS, i've been on a bad run for the last 6 or 7 months, but over the time i've been on sky i'm still in profit
I would like to think i can take a beat like a man but the dog now runs as soon as the laptop comes out.
I hope it will turn around but it will make my next big win all the more sweeter.
col
When I get a result - any result - I really enjoy it - I do. Because I don't much like it when I lose. But I, like you, can handle both.
There are 84 ways of doing this - you will have to trust me on that. (I can show how that is worked out but nobody is interested - I'm 99.9% sure of that :-) ).
Therefore the odds on a 9-handed table are: 111,666 to 1.
Note: I have excluded any issues with any of the other 6 players holding one of the same cards as our three paired players just to keep this sensible.
I remember being at the Final of the (then was) SPUKT and a guy kept telling EVERYONE about his bad beats (i think he bored you for about an hour Tikay) his name is related to 'driving trucks' (",) ... Not suprisingly he busted out of the ME early on a "Bad beat" and went to do a Sit N Go... I watched him while on a break and he continually bad beated everyone on the table.. Then the inevitable happened, he actually went in ahead and got beaten, The stare he gave the person on the table would rival one of Roy Keane's... He just stared at this bloke for about 3 minutes as if he was about to shoot him or something... Scary stuff, but i think he forgot all the bad beats he had just given out... LMAO!!!
I could have put it more succintly, I suppose.
Why indulge in a game - something, by definition, designed for enjoyment - if you are gonna moan about it? I know how many beans make five but that one whooshes me completely. If I dislike a game, I just don't play it.....