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loose shove by rosjim1?

mewillowsmewillows Member Posts: 406
edited August 2011 in Brags, Beats and Variance
Another exit hand.

Should rosjim1 shove with this hand?  Did i play it ok?

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalanceEasylife09Small blind 50.0050.004515.00JRYBig blind 100.00150.001991.25 Your hole cardsAA   mewillowsRaise 300.00450.003727.50Barrie26Call 300.00750.003452.50TommyDFold    rosjim1Call 300.001050.002930.00Easylife09Call 250.001300.004265.00JRYFold    Flop  7Q4   Easylife09Check    mewillowsCheck    Barrie26Bet 1000.002300.002452.50rosjim1All-in 2930.005230.000.00Easylife09Fold    mewillowsAll-in 3727.508957.500.00Barrie26Fold    mewillowsUnmatched bet 797.508160.00797.50mewillowsShowAA   rosjim1Show10Q   Turn  2   River  10   rosjim1WinTwo Pairs, Queens and 10s8160.00 8160.00
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  • labrat64labrat64 Member Posts: 987
    edited August 2011
    Not at all. You min raised so you going to get callers. post flop, good shove. Only a good hand is going to call. Then he got lucky, but the shove was fine IMO sorry
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  • LLCooLDLLCooLD Member Posts: 78
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: loose shove by rosjim1?:
    Not at all. You min raised so you going to get callers. post flop, good shove. Only a good hand is going to call. Then he got lucky, but the shove was fine IMO sorry
    Posted by labrat64
    really shove was fine? The EP PFR has checked, someone has lead out, you insta shove top pair mid kicker? I wouldnt say the shove is "fine" actually especially with the EP PFR still to act....
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  • Lambert180Lambert180 Member Posts: 12,197
    edited August 2011
    Firstly, you definitely need to be raising more than 3x pre-flop, especially when the blinds are quite low. Going 4 handed to the flop with AA is just asking for trouble.

    I think the shove is not too bad, Barrie bets 1000 into 1300 which could easily be a steal seen as you (the pre-flop raiser) has checked. If he wants to continue with the hand, there's no way he can do anything but shove with his stack size, and I do think he was right.

    Sorry but I think you played it a bit weak. It was pretty weak pre, then an almost perfect flop (short of an A) comes down for AA - VERY dry and you didn't bet it. The pot was already about a third of your stack so it would have been nice enough to take down there. Especially when you're 4 handed, you don't want to let people outdraw you. I think you should have been the guy to bet 1000 on the flop, if rosjim still shoves, so be it, you call, you're happy when you seen Q10, you were just unlucky he hit on the river.
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  • donkeyplopdonkeyplop Member Posts: 3,795
    edited August 2011
    It wasn't a min raise fwiw.

    The op was utg and I think his raise wan't that bad, maybe should have been to 400.

    On the flop you got the perfect result by checking then having a raise and shove behind. (personally i would have lead the flop to 900)

    Just got unlucky in the end.
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited August 2011
    raise pre is fine, bet flop yourself

    villain should fold pre, his flop play is marginal its prob ok, but Tpwk isnt very strong 4way
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: loose shove by rosjim1?:
    Firstly, you definitely need to be raising more than 3x pre-flop, especially when the blinds are quite low. Going 4 handed to the flop with AA is just asking for trouble. I think the shove is not too bad, Barrie bets 1000 into 1300 which could easily be a steal seen as you (the pre-flop raiser) has checked. If he wants to continue with the hand, there's no way he can do anything but shove with his stack size, and I do think he was right. Sorry but I think you played it a bit weak. It was pretty weak pre, then an almost perfect flop (short of an A) comes down for AA - VERY dry and you didn't bet it. The pot was already about a third of your stack so it would have been nice enough to take down there. Especially when you're 4 handed, you don't want to let people outdraw you. I think you should have been the guy to bet 1000 on the flop, if rosjim still shoves, so be it, you call, you're happy when you seen Q10, you were just unlucky he hit on the river.
    Posted by Lambert180
    I agree he should bet flop but

    1 I think flop being dry isnt a good reason to bet it

    2. Taking down the pot is not a good result, if we do they all folded worse hands

    3 Im not betting to protect my hand on that board
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