In Response to Re: BH : Ugh don't even want to reply to this. He is a donk, he's been involved in almost every hand, making ridiculous bet sizings, bluffing half his stack off readless .. so yes is the answer to your question .. why would i lie? obviously he would, i can 100% guarentee he was putting me all in on the river if a blank came Posted by percival09
oh well, then, this thread was entirely pointless, you already knew your answer, and didnt require any advice.
Hi Percival I would suggest you either edit your OP, or remove the reference to the player being a donk, it does break the forum rules I am afraid Posted by acebarry10
In Response to Re: BH : So I can't post a hand for debate? I won't do it next time, sorry mod Posted by percival09
Well, why ask for hand advice, if you're going to shoot everyone down, tell people you are right because he is a "donk" fires every street etc etc etc. Seems to be you didnt need our advice.
Am I the only one to think fold pre here? I absolutely hate A2 - you never know where you are - even on dream flop of 345 can still be losing to suited connector 67 which lots of peeps play. Also get into trouble against weak players with their Ace rags who cannot fold regardless of action post flop. As played though I probably would raise the flop bet, to 600-700, Folding to any resistance - not great I know but I wouldnt play A2. Posted by Ploppy33
6 handed in the SB, A2 needs to be played IMO. I agree with your generalization though. A-rag I detest bar in position. A good friend of mine once said:
"Ace rag, wins you small pots, loses you big ones".
In Response to Re: BH : Well, why ask for hand advice, if you're going to shoot everyone down, tell people you are right because he is a "donk" fires every street etc etc etc. Seems to be you didnt need our advice. Anyways, enough said from me. Posted by LLCooLD
You may need to find the definition of the word debate. I understand what your saying, some of my posts do come across quite strong .. but I feel if someone is giving me incorrect advice they need to be corrected aswell .. but then I read some posts saying how I played so terribly wrong, when I know i didn't, but i'm fully aware there might have been a more profitable line, betting out for example ..
In Response to Re: BH : I didn't think I was beat, that's why I called I was no where near strong enough to raise at almost any point, what am i going to called by that i'm ahead of? Why? Posted by percival09
The flop has 2 straight draws and a flush draw, the turn adds an extra flush draw and another straight draw, so theres now 2 flush draws and 3 straight draws. Then the river completes one of the straight draws AND one of the flush drawes.
You're right, you won't get called by anything which you're ahead of. You're hand is probably best but theres so many ways you can be beaten, wouldn't you rather take down a medium size pot than potentially lose a big one. If you put a decent re-raise in on the flop, he has to fold and you turn your 4200 stack into about 5500+
In Response to Re: BH : What do you find out if you c/r and (a) he folds (b) he calls (c) he raises? Posted by grantorino
Well personally, I wouldn't check the flop. If you are going to raise pre with A2 then you need to bet out when you hit. But as it is now that it's been checked when I c/r
A) he folds - I win the hand, the end.
he calls - He's drawing or hasn't paired the A. I'm getting it all in on the turn almost regardless of what comes out.
C) he raises - the ball is in your court, it's down to you. You can pass the hand for cheaper than what he ended up paying, or you can get it all in. Personally, I pass and wait for a better spot, don't like Ace rag as it is.
In Response to Re: BH : Well personally, I wouldn't check the flop. If you are going to raise pre with A2 then you need to bet out when you hit. But as it is now that it's been checked when I c/r A) he folds - I win the hand, the end. he calls - He's drawing or hasn't paired the A. I'm getting it all in on the turn almost regardless of what comes out. C) he raises - the ball is in your court, it's down to you. You can pass the hand for cheaper than what he ended up paying, or you can get it all in. Personally, I pass and wait for a better spot, don't like Ace rag as it is. Posted by Lambert180
So when he folds its bad, you had the best hand
How do you know when he flats he doesnt have an A or better? If he doesnt do you think he calls a turn shove
If he raises I would think we have to fold, but he could easily shove a flush draw.
Imo check/raise is by far the worst option, especially as our read is there is a big chance hes bluffing. If you know he flats with worse far more often than he folds or raises it might be fine, but I dont think we do
In Response to Re: BH : So when he folds its bad, you had the best hand How do you know when he flats he doesnt have an A or better? If he doesnt do you think he calls a turn shove If he raises I would think we have to fold, but he could easily shove a flush draw. Imo check/raise is by far the worst option, especially as our read is there is a big chance hes bluffing. If you know he flats with worse far more often than he folds or raises it might be fine, but I dont think we do Posted by grantorino
agreed, raising at any point as played would have been v.bad imo
@lambert .. i shouldn't just bet because i hit, i know what you're saying but i felt adapting to my villains bluffing tendencies by checking would be a more profitable approach ... if i bet every time i hit poker would be an easy game, as soon as i checked the flop and he bet, i was 90% sure i was good ... so i wasn't folding, i had a plan and i stuck to it, looking back maybe betting would have been better, but imo it's either the way i played it, or i should have cbet, there's no way with the reads i had i was ever folding as played, and i could definitely never ever raise
In Response to Re: BH : So when he folds its bad, you had the best hand How do you know when he flats he doesnt have an A or better? If he doesnt do you think he calls a turn shove If he raises I would think we have to fold, but he could easily shove a flush draw. Imo check/raise is by far the worst option, especially as our read is there is a big chance hes bluffing. If you know he flats with worse far more often than he folds or raises it might be fine, but I dont think we do Posted by grantorino
Well it's easy to say that but for but lets say (obviously hypothetical) the board is Jh Th 4s. You've got 34 of clubs and your oppponent has KQ hearts. Well you're ahead so you don't want him to fold? No of course you want him to fold because there are just far too many ways he can beat you.
Well as I said, I'd much prefer leading out myself and not check raising, but I didn't play the hand.
To be honest, I'm still very new in my opinion to taking poker alot more seriously, so I'm still learning (as we all are), but I sense you and percival are a fair bit more experienced than myself. Perhaps I'm being a bit naive in my approach to this hand and to be fair probably being very results orientated because any river other than the Q and it's went perfect.
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I would suggest you either edit your OP, or remove the reference to the player being a donk, it does break the forum rules I am afraid
I absolutely hate A2 - you never know where you are - even on dream flop of 345 can still be losing to suited connector 67 which lots of peeps play.
Also get into trouble against weak players with their Ace rags who cannot fold regardless of action post flop.
As played though I probably would raise the flop bet, to 600-700, Folding to any resistance - not great I know but I wouldnt play A2.
You're right, you won't get called by anything which you're ahead of. You're hand is probably best but theres so many ways you can be beaten, wouldn't you rather take down a medium size pot than potentially lose a big one. If you put a decent re-raise in on the flop, he has to fold and you turn your 4200 stack into about 5500+
A) he folds - I win the hand, the end.
C) he raises - the ball is in your court, it's down to you. You can pass the hand for cheaper than what he ended up paying, or you can get it all in. Personally, I pass and wait for a better spot, don't like Ace rag as it is.
How do you know when he flats he doesnt have an A or better? If he doesnt do you think he calls a turn shove
If he raises I would think we have to fold, but he could easily shove a flush draw.
Imo check/raise is by far the worst option, especially as our read is there is a big chance hes bluffing. If you know he flats with worse far more often than he folds or raises it might be fine, but I dont think we do
Well as I said, I'd much prefer leading out myself and not check raising, but I didn't play the hand.
To be honest, I'm still very new in my opinion to taking poker alot more seriously, so I'm still learning (as we all are), but I sense you and percival are a fair bit more experienced than myself. Perhaps I'm being a bit naive in my approach to this hand and to be fair probably being very results orientated because any river other than the Q and it's went perfect.