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Flipping all in money??

jams88jams88 Member Posts: 694
edited August 2011 in The Poker Clinic
Short stacks pushing in cash games is it worth getting involved?

I know when i call that this is going to be around a 50/50 chance at best but i get to see all the cards for around 10 Bigs is it worth flipping for or should i let this slide?
PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
SIMMO256 Small blind   £0.02 £0.02 £1.93
jams88 Big blind   £0.04 £0.06 £3.93
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • K
     
PokerAl Fold        
TCNTU09 All-in   £0.38 £0.44 £0.00
teddy991 Fold        
bobcam Fold        
SIMMO256 Fold        
jams88 Call   £0.34 £0.78 £3.59
jams88 Show
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TCNTU09 Show
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Turn
   
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River
   
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TCNTU09 Win Pair of 4s £0.72   £0.72
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited August 2011
    Depends what you think his shoving range is. You need around 44% equity to call. Pokerstove is a useful tool for calculating these, you can download it for free.You can see your equity against a range of hands

    Readless I think its prob a fold
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited August 2011
    I'd usually always call this and i don't really know why lol! i'm probably wrong to do so though
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  • PiAnOpLaYaPiAnOpLaYa Member Posts: 554
    edited August 2011
    its 38p who cares

    KQ suited looks really pretty so i call - If they push with A4 they push with any 2 broadway
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:
    its 38p who cares KQ suited looks really pretty so i call - If they push with A4 they push with any 2 broadway
    Posted by PiAnOpLaYa
    that's definitely a bad way to think about it, it's still 10% of your stack, it's equivalent to calling £100 at £5/10 .. the actual money shouldn't come into play, just think of it of chips and the most profitable decision
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  • CagSherCagSher Member Posts: 21
    edited August 2011
    I play a lot of NL4 still, and this is a call for me, they push with such a small stack with any PP, and Ace, and often a Kxs or even Kxo..

    so yes, for 8.5 BB's (when they are all in for that much) im calling all day with KQs at NL4
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  • CagSherCagSher Member Posts: 21
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money?? : that's definitely a bad way to think about it, it's still 10% of your stack, it's equivalent to calling £100 at £5/10 .. the actual money shouldn't come into play, just think of it of chips and the most profitable decision
    Posted by percival09
    sorry for double post..

    I agree with your sentiment, and at £5/£10 it would be a fold, but since players at NL4 push SO light with such a small stack, and are SO poor in general, it's a call, not because it's only 38p, but because it's 8.5BB's against a player who's range is going to be huge to the point of mental, and is looking to just get them in with any 2 that look pretty, as it turned out it wasn't far off a 50/50 flip
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  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:
    its 38p who cares KQ suited looks really pretty so i call - If they push with A4 they push with any 2 broadway
    Posted by PiAnOpLaYa
    he should care if hes playing 4NL

    I dont agree they necessarily shove all broadways if they shove A4, stoved some ranges its prob a call though
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  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money?? : sorry for double post.. I agree with your sentiment, and at £5/£10 it would be a fold, but since players at NL4 push SO light with such a small stack, and are SO poor in general, it's a call, not because it's only 38p, but because it's 8.5BB's against a player who's range is going to be huge to the point of mental, and is looking to just get them in with any 2 that look pretty, as it turned out it wasn't far off a 50/50 flip
    Posted by CagSher
    I agree, I would call ... just wondering if it's actually profitable .. you're probably right about 4NL which makes it a call
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    Snap snap and then snap it off again.
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  • rancidrancid Member Posts: 5,945
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money?? : I agree, I would call ... just wondering if it's actually profitable .. you're probably right about 4NL which makes it a call
    Posted by percival09
    It's a wide shove, low-mid pr or A raggy raggy

    You can call these, most of the time it's low-mid pr  or paint
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  • jams88jams88 Member Posts: 694
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money?? : I agree, I would call ... just wondering if it's actually profitable .. you're probably right about 4NL which makes it a call
    Posted by percival09
    this is what i was wondering as im fairly sure im up against some sort of ace is it a profitable call without getting results orintaed as this situation happens a fiar bit in nl4
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  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    Personlly mate I've seen players do the same with liturally 100% of their range, I'd say you'd be unlucky to see an ace here.

    Plus it's only **** 34p ! Nah just jokin that's a bad way to play NL4 lolz.
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  • jams88jams88 Member Posts: 694
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: Flipping all in money??:
    Personlly mate I've seen players do the same with liturally 100% of their range, I'd say you'd be unlucky to see an ace here. Plus it's only **** 34p ! Nah just jokin that's a bad way to play NL4 lolz.
    Posted by Dudeskin8
    Cheers for the input espcially as i know you have played alot of nl4 and beaten it will definatly take this onboard :)
    lol the 34p isint the end of the world by a long shot just wondered if it was -ve general opinion was its a good call though, happy days
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  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited August 2011
    I'm fairly happy to call here most times, kinda lols when they sit with 40p double it up to 80p then run though.
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  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited August 2011
    Totally agree with dudeskin here ive seen abso any 2 hole cards played in this way and KQs defo is ahead of most shoves with the oppo's stack size
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  • jams88jams88 Member Posts: 694
    edited August 2011
    Thanks for the help everyone
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