Flush draw with gutshot straight draw.

DrSharp

Whats the move here? Really trying to improve and playing my draws correctly seems a bit weak at the moment to be honest. Villain just joined table, 1st hand i think so no reads. sorry.

Hand History #403037121 (17:15 15/08/2011)

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
CALLANDERM	Small blind		£0.02	£0.02	£6.98
KARGON	Big blind		£0.04	£0.06	£1.09
	Your hole cards	10 Q
villain	Call		£0.04	£0.10	£2.64
blue1970	Fold
DrSharp	Raise		£0.16	£0.26	£4.98
CALLANDERM	Fold
KARGON	Fold
villain	Call		£0.12	£0.38	£2.52
Flop
		8 9 5
villain	Bet		£0.19	£0.57	£2.33
DrSharp	???

Dudeskin8

I would flat IP getting great odds.

Yes you can raise but he ain't folding a pair so whats the point plus you have Q high right now.

WHOAMI196

Raise here m8, two ways you can win him folding or hiting your cards on the turn/river. lets say hes holding 2 black aces you are 50/50 on the flop. your a HUGE favourite against A9,a8 AK etc....you can never go wrong by raising this board and if he shoves you can snap call knowing you would never be a huge under-dog!

grantorino

In Response to Re: Flush draw with gutshot straight draw.:

I would raise, calling prob ok too. Depends how much fe you have and how often he pays off when you hit if you flat

GREGHOGG

raise and get it in

DrSharp

Right, i usually raise, they flat call me and then bet in to me again taking the odds away from me so that if i carry on its basically the wrong decision.

What if i raise him  say a quid and he flats and the turn is a total dud card?

grantorino

prob check back

DrSharp

In Response to Re: Flush draw with gutshot straight draw.:

prob check back
Posted by grantorino

lol, well yeah. But if he shoves the turn? Is it an instant call even if the odds are incorrect? Seems raising the flop and folding the turn is very bad and i keep getting told that calling with the odds against me will cost me loads. I find this situation happens quite often at this level, i think its a leak in my game.

rancid

shove - 57p pot - he got £2.33 - if he was deeper then a call would be an option

grantorino

In Response to Re: Flush draw with gutshot straight draw.:

In Response to Re: Flush draw with gutshot straight draw. : lol, well yeah. But if he shoves the turn? Is it an instant call even if the odds are incorrect? Seems raising the flop and folding the turn is very bad and i keep getting told that calling with the odds against me will cost me loads. I find this situation happens quite often at this level, i think its a leak in my game.
Posted by DrSharp

Ok, well donk/call flop, shove blank turn is a pretty unusual line. But if he does you need to decide have you the odds to call. If he takes this line you prob need about 3/1, less if you think a Q or T is good enough for you. If you are not getting odds fold. 

Batkin88

raise now (calling isn't bad at nl4) if he bets out on turn shove or fold if you miss turn

Codex

against a good player, raise, i 4nl seems they call regardless so the idea you win the hand by them folding becomes mute


im not very experienced at 4nl, but seerms better to call and bet made hands