Shoving instead of raising?

Glenelg

Hand I played last night in a DS which at the time I knew/thought i'd played badly, but just got lucky.
No reads as was busy MTing! I was in mini view but that don't excuse it!
Over time would it be better to raise 600/700 (given stack sizes) to the initial raise or just shove?  at this stage in a tourney?  Your thoughts?

Player	Action	Cards	Amount	Pot	Balance
cunliffe	Small blind		20.00	20.00	3245.00
Boxster	Big blind		40.00	60.00	4210.00
	Your hole cards	J J
paul10	Call		40.00	100.00	3360.00
oaceso	Raise		80.00	180.00	2210.00
Glenelg	Raise		120.00	300.00	1785.00
rosjim1	Call		120.00	420.00	2060.00
cunliffe	Fold
Boxster	Call		80.00	500.00	4130.00
paul10	Call		80.00	580.00	3280.00
oaceso	Raise		80.00	660.00	2130.00
Glenelg	All-in		1785.00	2445.00	0.00
rosjim1	Fold
Boxster	Fold
paul10	Fold
oaceso	All-in		2130.00	4575.00	0.00
oaceso	Unmatched bet		385.00	4190.00	385.00
oaceso	Show	8 K
Glenelg	Show	J J
Flop
		8 5 10
Turn
		10
River
		6
Glenelg	Win	Two Pairs, Jacks and 10s	4190.00		4190.00

yb

the shove is fine if you're happy getting it in, but i'd 3bet a lot bigger.

SHANXTA

ur 1st raise nds 2b alot bigger, im prob making it ~300. by min raisin ur gonna b goin 2 d flop 4/5 handed alot of the time which aint great wiv JJ

DrSharp

In Response to Re: Shoving instead of raising?:

ur 1st raise nds 2b alot bigger, im prob making it ~300. by min raisin ur gonna b goin 2 d flop 4/5 handed alot of the time which aint great wiv JJ
Posted by SHANXTA

+1.

Dudeskin8

Yh first raise from you is WAY too small, like others needs to be 300+.

As played when he makes another bizarre minraise I might be suspicious that he is super strong but I think shove is ok.

grantorino

I assume that the minraise was a misclick and you meant to type in at least 300

Shove is fine if you are happy getting it in, whick you should have decided before you raise 1st time

Glenelg

In Response to Re: Shoving instead of raising?:

I assume that the minraise was a misclick and you meant to type in at least 300 Shove is fine if you are happy getting it in, whick you should have decided before you raise 1st time
Posted by grantorino

lol! I had a big hand on the other table and was focusing on it tbh. I would have preferred 600 looking at the stack sizes?  If I raise that amount I'm always prepared to shove tho.

Codex

no point raising to 600, may as well shove, 300 would be fine


in a deepstack structure against good players this early im not sure its ideal to shove JJ here, not saying its terrible or anything, but normally, when u get called you will most often be flipping at best - you're almost praying opponent has 77-TT and those hands would be loose calls at this stage really


obviously if you think hands like K8o will call you, shove