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QQ facing open shove on flop

huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
edited August 2011 in The Poker Clinic

have shared the table with villain for a while and have been reraising him a lot.  most of the time he has not played back and folds pre (which is why i keep reraising).  in general i am playing very strongly in position and have been 3 betting regularly and opening a wide range.

he is not a regular at these limits but has been playing pretty well and is generally tight.  there has been nothing yet to indicate a spew here but with the image and the history what do we do?

just for extra info i had intended to check behind as he has not led donked out all game

PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
jonnyg609 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £124.54
beaneh Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £47.00
  Your hole cards
  • Q
  • Q
     
villainRaise  £1.50 £2.25 £31.50
dub1 Fold     
huuuuume Raise  £5.00 £7.25 £55.72
richtea Fold     
jonnyg609 Fold     
beaneh Fold     
villainCall  £3.50 £10.75 £28.00
Flop
   
  • K
  • 7
  • 7
     
villain All-in  £28.00 £38.75 £0.00

Comments

  • Dudeskin8Dudeskin8 Member Posts: 6,228
    edited August 2011
    I'd fold.
  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited August 2011

    what do you think we are losing to?

  • debdobs_67debdobs_67 Member Posts: 3,615
    edited August 2011
    I reckon his first 3xbb raise suggests he could have KQ perhaps ??
  • lynx3ffectlynx3ffect Member Posts: 452
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: QQ facing open shove on flop:
    I reckon his first 3xbb raise suggests he could have KQ perhaps ??
    Posted by debdobs_67
    bit specific, u know which suits too! ? :)

    depends how often u c-bet, what is fold to c-bet % is....i assume he thinks u call this with most of ur range and if u say he seems like he has half a clue i doubt he bets worse than a K here...

    i'd lean toward a fold as i wouldnt give him credit for turning worse pairs into a bluff or going loono with AJ or something. better spots to get ur money in

    i give him Kh9h btw ;-)
  • pod1pod1 Member Posts: 4,377
    edited August 2011
    not a chance its got spades written all over it !
  • GREGHOGGGREGHOGG Member Posts: 7,155
    edited August 2011
    I would snap fold because alot of the time they show the K here from my experience


  • grantorinograntorino Member Posts: 4,710
    edited August 2011

    I would call

  • Batkin88Batkin88 Member Posts: 1,682
    edited August 2011

    He could have any pocket pair he doesnt want you to catch up if he has the king he has played it bad IMO and  then surely he can only turn over AK but would he 4 bet AK pre?? Looking at stack sizes and from the board i would call if he flips a rag king or A7 ul but i think your ahead alot more

  • huuuuumehuuuuume Member Posts: 569
    edited August 2011
    im such a station.  felt that pocket pair was most likely as i couldnt see a reason to shove the king here.
    i rarely ever tank when playing but did this time...just really didnt like this spot
    PlayerActionCardsAmountPotBalance
    jonnyg609 Small blind  £0.25 £0.25 £124.54
    beaneh Big blind  £0.50 £0.75 £47.00
      Your hole cards
    • Q
    • Q
         
    villainRaise  £1.50 £2.25 £31.50
    dub1 Fold     
    huuuuume Raise  £5.00 £7.25 £55.72
    richtea Fold     
    jonnyg609 Fold     
    beaneh Fold     
    villainCall  £3.50 £10.75 £28.00
    Flop
       
    • K
    • 7
    • 7
         
    villainAll-in  £28.00 £38.75 £0.00
    huuuuume Call  £28.00 £66.75 £27.72
    villainShow
    • 4
    • 4
       
    huuuuume Show
    • Q
    • Q
       
    Turn
       
    • 9
         
    River
       
    • J
         
    huuuuume Win Two Pairs, Queens and 7s £64.95  £92.67
  • DOHHHHHHHDOHHHHHHH Member Posts: 17,929
    edited August 2011
    In Response to Re: QQ facing open shove on flop:
    im such a station.  felt that pocket pair was most likely as i couldnt see a reason to shove the king here. i rarely ever tank when playing but did this time...just really didnt like this spot Player Action Cards Amount Pot Balance jonnyg609 Small blind   £0.25 £0.25 £124.54 beaneh Big blind   £0.50 £0.75 £47.00   Your hole cards Q Q       villain Raise   £1.50 £2.25 £31.50 dub1 Fold         huuuuume Raise   £5.00 £7.25 £55.72 richtea Fold         jonnyg609 Fold         beaneh Fold         villain Call   £3.50 £10.75 £28.00 Flop     K 7 7       villain All-in   £28.00 £38.75 £0.00 huuuuume Call   £28.00 £66.75 £27.72 villain Show 4 4       huuuuume Show Q Q       Turn     9       River     J       huuuuume Win Two Pairs, Queens and 7s £64.95   £92.67
    Posted by huuuuume
    I play loads of HU sngs and see this alot with that type of hand, like a small pair donk jammin or c/raising all in on paired flops.

    I call with Apic alot, and suck out alot.

    Good call.
  • NColleyNColley Member Posts: 1,178
    edited August 2011
    I get confused by play like this and call often too, I just don't see how they shove K or 7 there. Run into the nuts maybe 1/4 times.
  • percival09percival09 Member Posts: 3,804
    edited August 2011
    nice call
    reads are probz quite important, what your table image is etc..
    most of the time villain isn't open shoving a K here, probably not a 7 (although I have seen it a few times) .. so you're beating most of his range imo, probz player dependant whether i call
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