The best hand pre/flop to beat aces

cleaverjim

Hello.I was reading a book on poker strategy and there was a list of best hands to crack aces pre flop so i will list them here and see what you all go for ,I will put the answer down later on.

Lambert180

Seems a bit of a silly question. Obviously you're gonna have 2 undercards (unless you have an A but that would be terrible) so the odds of hitting 2 pair or 3 of a kind with 72 are the same as with KQ. So it comes down to straights and flushes and so anything that can go up and down straight and flush is best

So 45s through to J10s are the best

AMYBR

Its also a silly question as the only time you really want to be thinking about doing this is super deep cash, any other time (unless the AA is misplayed) is pure Kamikaze.

But if your getting odds pre or sat deep enough any suited connector, but my choice would prefereably be a PP.  Suited connecter boards are more visible to the A when making, but not the underset, much easier to get payed IMO than a wet board the connectors hit (also paint combo vs paint boards).

Dazler

i think its better to say what hand would be more disguised if your up against As and want to get max out if you get bigger so hand you want against As is either poket pair and hit set you know there going all in then, if a flush on the board easy to fold As. Nothing is beating pk As pre its always after...

cleaverjim

In Response to Re: The best hand pre/flop to beat aces:

i think its better to say what hand would be more disguised if your up against As and want to get max out if you get bigger so hand you want against As is either poket pair and hit set you know there going all in then, if a flush on the board easy to fold As. Nothing is beating pk As pre its always after...
Posted by Dazler

Yes the ? was what hand tends to crack aces pre more often the book had a percentage on it

Dazler

In Response to Re: The best hand pre/flop to beat aces:

In Response to Re: The best hand pre/flop to beat aces : Yes the ? was what hand tends to crack aces pre more often the book had a percentage on it
Posted by cleaverjim

dont see how you can put a percentage on it? any hand can beat As what book was this?

cleaverjim

poker stragety by alan poole

Lambert180

In Response to Re: The best hand pre/flop to beat aces:

In Response to Re: The best hand pre/flop to beat aces : dont see how you can put a percentage on it? any hand can beat As what book was this?
Posted by Dazler

well yeah but obviously when you have 22, you can either get a set or 4 cards to a straight come out.

Where as when you have 78s, you can get trips of 7s or 8s, 2 pair, a straight, or a flush, so the percentage chance of that cracking AA is better than 22.

LOL_RAISE

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     81.191%      80.97%     00.22%          299490480        798894.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     18.809%      18.59%     00.22%           68769396        798894.00   { 77-22 }

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     80.690%      80.51%     00.18%          148887792        332118.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     19.310%      19.13%     00.18%           35376804        332118.00   { TT-88 }

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     79.887%      77.16%     02.72%          150625572       5315358.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     20.113%      17.39%     02.72%           33946368       5315358.00   { JJ+ }

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     86.074%      85.87%     00.21%          141152028        337086.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     13.926%      13.72%     00.21%           22554984        337086.00   { KQs, KQo }

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     85.645%      85.45%     00.20%          140457480        326112.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     14.355%      14.16%     00.20%           23271480        326112.00   { KJs, KJo }

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     86.676%      86.48%     00.20%         1563640248       3626526.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     13.324%      13.12%     00.20%          237299724       3626526.00   { K2s+, K2o+ }

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     87.579%      86.96%     00.62%          214409976       1535772.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     12.421%      11.80%     00.62%           29090256       1535772.00   { A2s+ }

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     85.831%      85.64%     00.19%         1407700416       3200910.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     14.169%      13.97%     00.19%          229709604       3200910.00   { Q2s+, Q2o+ }

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     80.381%      80.21%     00.17%          131848512        282258.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     19.619%      19.45%     00.17%           31968156        282258.00   { 76s, 76o }

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied   
Hand 0:     77.796%      77.61%     00.18%           31896036         74358.00   { AA }
Hand 1:     22.204%      22.02%     00.18%            9050544         74358.00   { T9s }

cleaverjim

In Response to Re: The best hand pre/flop to beat aces:

    equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     81.191%      80.97%     00.22%          299490480        798894.00   { AA } Hand 1:     18.809%      18.59%     00.22%           68769396        798894.00   { 77-22 }     equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     80.690%      80.51%     00.18%          148887792        332118.00   { AA } Hand 1:     19.310%      19.13%     00.18%           35376804        332118.00   { TT-88 }     equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     79.887%      77.16%     02.72%          150625572       5315358.00   { AA } Hand 1:     20.113%      17.39%     02.72%           33946368       5315358.00   { JJ+ }     equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     86.074%      85.87%     00.21%          141152028        337086.00   { AA } Hand 1:     13.926%      13.72%     00.21%           22554984        337086.00   { KQs, KQo }     equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     85.645%      85.45%     00.20%          140457480        326112.00   { AA } Hand 1:     14.355%      14.16%     00.20%           23271480        326112.00   { KJs, KJo }     equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     86.676%      86.48%     00.20%         1563640248       3626526.00   { AA } Hand 1:     13.324%      13.12%     00.20%          237299724       3626526.00   { K2s+, K2o+ }     equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     87.579%      86.96%     00.62%          214409976       1535772.00   { AA } Hand 1:     12.421%      11.80%     00.62%           29090256       1535772.00   { A2s+ }     equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     85.831%      85.64%     00.19%         1407700416       3200910.00   { AA } Hand 1:     14.169%      13.97%     00.19%          229709604       3200910.00   { Q2s+, Q2o+ }     equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     80.381%      80.21%     00.17%          131848512        282258.00   { AA } Hand 1:     19.619%      19.45%     00.17%           31968156        282258.00   { 76s, 76o }     equity     win     tie           pots won     pots tied    Hand 0:     77.796%      77.61%     00.18%           31896036         74358.00   { AA } Hand 1:     22.204%      22.02%     00.18%            9050544         74358.00   { T9s }
Posted by LOL_RAISE

cheers,yes 9/10 was what the book said not that id like 9/10 v aces tbh

Dazler

hmmmm very interesting have to have a look at that book, although percentage of me winning with pk As is 99.9% against me lol