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Best line on value vs two soft spots, all opinions welcome.
AMYBR
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Playing 50/1 live last night. Was in the early hours, everyone is sat reasonably deep after scooping from sit downs. I have around £350, button maybe £300 and SB above £500
Button is a spewbox that plays a super wide range that doesnt bluff and doesnt bet draws, but will call down massively disproportiante bets. Often goes broke with one pair and reasonable draw
SB is normally pretty steady but has had way too many and is taking alot of shots light. very capable of 3 and 4 betting light on any street.
I'm what I am, dont really know anymore. Always a solid image, but my starting hand requirement has become questionable of late. But most importantly the people I play against mostly know I know how to get paid, but will pick up a lot of pots.
Pretty spewy player opens button, for £3, SB calls I find A9o, probably behind buttons range but dont mind a peel
£9 in pot A99. Button never has A's here, just have to figure out how to get paid. AJ is definately in his rangte and he will go broke with 1pr here, no doubt. SB can have anything, mood he's in he is easily EASILY capable of flatting 2 barrells then repping the 9 on river.
So in this particular spot, against these two players, with a pretty lively dynamic, 300+BB deep. How do you play your hand? (Spewbox is quite likely holding a reasonable A also).
Button is a spewbox that plays a super wide range that doesnt bluff and doesnt bet draws, but will call down massively disproportiante bets. Often goes broke with one pair and reasonable draw
SB is normally pretty steady but has had way too many and is taking alot of shots light. very capable of 3 and 4 betting light on any street.
I'm what I am, dont really know anymore. Always a solid image, but my starting hand requirement has become questionable of late. But most importantly the people I play against mostly know I know how to get paid, but will pick up a lot of pots.
Pretty spewy player opens button, for £3, SB calls I find A9o, probably behind buttons range but dont mind a peel
£9 in pot A99. Button never has A's here, just have to figure out how to get paid. AJ is definately in his rangte and he will go broke with 1pr here, no doubt. SB can have anything, mood he's in he is easily EASILY capable of flatting 2 barrells then repping the 9 on river.
So in this particular spot, against these two players, with a pretty lively dynamic, 300+BB deep. How do you play your hand? (Spewbox is quite likely holding a reasonable A also).
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You know I'm not a fan of the C/R bud lol.
In this spot can I ask why do you advocate this line on flop? Surely its only going to put opponent on back foot on later streets? Am I not basically saying "I want you to commit chips on flop to inflate turn/river bets?"
Reason I ask is I very much wanted to keep the SB in with rags, allow him the opportunity to stab at turn/river, while keeping button involved through streets. SB is hugely capable of trying to put me "between a rock and hard place" on turn/river" with a 3/4 bet. Why take these creative plays off table?
I went for the c/c
Lead turn strong, almost pot.
Jam pot size bet river
When he calls at turn I figure he can only have a worse 9 or a decent K. He'll most likely check river behind me if I give him option so have a pot sized bet behind on river so make it. He hates it. Says he doesnt think he's winning but doesnt think he can fold (which is why I opened large at turn so he'd feel priced a river). He calls, I flip, he mucks.
So went down the C/C Lead Shove route.
Got to admit I dont love a chech raise on a board this dry. Would you mind going through your thought process as to why you would? FWIW my image is pretty strong here.
Is SB playing wildly enough to try bluff you if btn is in hand?
Is btn bad enough to raise an A if you either lead or c/r him?
Also depends what they think your likely range is if you lead, c/c or c/r flop.
I think prob c/r and hope to stack btn with an A is prob the best option. If sb decides to go nuts thats a bonus. You have to raise at some point in hand and to me flop looks as good as any street to me, especially given it gives you 2 more streets you can lead big with a bloated pot. Leading might be good if you think btn will flat and sb might raise to rep a 9, but its tough to bluff at this board 3 way against you (who prob rarely leads here with air)and a fish who cant fold. If sb raises and you continue even fish mighnt like Ax.
Also the line of c/c flop lead turn always seems weird to me, if you are going to do this why not c/r flop?
Thing is I would like to think I read well. If I am c/r'sd I will either play the rest of the hand more cautiously, or use opponents perception of strength against him on streets.
I am FAR more likely to c/r weak than strong. But strong I dont love the approach. On a wet board I may utilise it depending on depth of stack, but in a spot where I am as strong as this its not something I would often be doing, as I always feel (perhaps too strongly) that when stacks are deep you are giving opponent the opportunity to get away from an Apic type hand.
If I am c/r'd on this board, myself holding AK I will then look to lose the min or cut a loss at turn/river depending on reads and player type/info from bet size. I certainly will not look to push the envolope.
But I guess I'm showing why I'm not a successfull online player. I do rely on reads and body language far too much! Respect to you gentlemen